Re: [Lsf-pc] Linux kernel impact on PostgreSQL performance

From: Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: James Bottomley <James(dot)Bottomley(at)hansenpartnership(dot)com>
Cc: Claudio Freire <klaussfreire(at)gmail(dot)com>, Andres Freund <andres(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, Hannu Krosing <hannu(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, "lsf-pc(at)lists(dot)linux-foundation(dot)org" <lsf-pc(at)lists(dot)linux-foundation(dot)org>, Kevin Grittner <kgrittn(at)ymail(dot)com>, "pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org" <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Dave Chinner <david(at)fromorbit(dot)com>, Joshua Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman(at)suse(dot)de>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Trond Myklebust <trondmy(at)gmail(dot)com>, Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] Linux kernel impact on PostgreSQL performance
Date: 2014-01-14 17:39:32
Message-ID: CA+TgmoY8a5_SORA3tzojpPMj6zb9pym05N63PP0zuAenoxtNmw@mail.gmail.com
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On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM, James Bottomley
<James(dot)Bottomley(at)hansenpartnership(dot)com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-01-14 at 15:15 -0200, Claudio Freire wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>> > In terms of avoiding double-buffering, here's my thought after reading
>> > what's been written so far. Suppose we read a page into our buffer
>> > pool. Until the page is clean, it would be ideal for the mapping to
>> > be shared between the buffer cache and our pool, sort of like
>> > copy-on-write. That way, if we decide to evict the page, it will
>> > still be in the OS cache if we end up needing it again (remember, the
>> > OS cache is typically much larger than our buffer pool). But if the
>> > page is dirtied, then instead of copying it, just have the buffer pool
>> > forget about it, because at that point we know we're going to write
>> > the page back out anyway before evicting it.
>> >
>> > This would be pretty similar to copy-on-write, except without the
>> > copying. It would just be forget-from-the-buffer-pool-on-write.
>>
>> But... either copy-on-write or forget-on-write needs a page fault, and
>> thus a page mapping.
>>
>> Is a page fault more expensive than copying 8k?
>>
>> (I really don't know).
>
> A page fault can be expensive, yes ... but perhaps you don't need one.
>
> What you want is a range of memory that's read from a file but treated
> as anonymous for writeout (i.e. written to swap if we need to reclaim
> it). Then at some time later, you want to designate it as written back
> to the file instead so you control the writeout order. I'm not sure we
> can do this: the separation between file backed and anonymous pages is
> pretty deeply ingrained into the OS, but if it were possible, is that
> what you want?

Doesn't sound exactly like what I had in mind. What I was suggesting
is an analogue of read() that, if it reads full pages of data to a
page-aligned address, shares the data with the buffer cache until it's
first written instead of actually copying the data. The pages are
write-protected so that an attempt to write the address range causes a
page fault. In response to such a fault, the pages become anonymous
memory and the buffer cache no longer holds a reference to the page.

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Robert Haas
EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com
The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

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