Re: [pgsql-pkg-debian] Re: We should not transition to apt.postgresql.org until we have a PPA

From: Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org>
To: Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
Cc: Stefan Kaltenbrunner <stefan(at)kaltenbrunner(dot)cc>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, Christoph Berg <myon(at)debian(dot)org>, Martin Pitt <mpitt(at)debian(dot)org>, PostgreSQL WWW <pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org>, PostgreSQL in Debian <pgsql-pkg-debian(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
Subject: Re: [pgsql-pkg-debian] Re: We should not transition to apt.postgresql.org until we have a PPA
Date: 2013-02-18 19:01:14
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On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net> wrote:
>>> I really really doubt that for anybody who is not able to use the
>>> distribution provide packages the current instructions are a problem at
>>> all and whatever we do the easiest way to get pg will always be the
>>> package that the distribution has because that one is "perfectly"
>>> integrated and available.
>>
>> History has proven that wasn't the case. We used to get regular emails
>> to webmaster@ from people who were confused about what combination of
>> packages they had to install because it simply wasn't clear, and like
>> it or not, there are a lot of people out there who are not familiar
>> with platform native packaging - including a significant percentage of
>> Oracle users for example.
>
> No, history definitely has not proven that. History has proven that
> *what we had before* was confusing, that it definitely has. But just
> because going from A to B is an improvement, doesn't mean that going
> from B to C can't *also* be an improvement. It only proves that going
> back to A would be.

That's not what I said. If I thought C couldn't be an improvement, I
would have objected to it. I don't and it can be. But right now, it's
a step backwards - it's convoluted and confusing.

> I haven't seen a single email expressing that problem since we put the
> new instructions online in July.

I strongly believe that's because we currently have the distro
provided packages at the top of the list - and as we found before, the
people that have problems tend to only read the first option on the
list, and those instructions are now pretty straight forward.

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