Re: Survey: renaming/removing script binaries (createdb, createuser...)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Zdenek Kotala" <Zdenek(dot)Kotala(at)Sun(dot)COM>
To: "Naz Gassiep" <naz(at)mira(dot)net>
Cc: "PostgreSQL" <pgsql-general(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Survey: renaming/removing script binaries (createdb,
createuser...)

> Naz Gassiep napsal(a):
>
> >
> > We're not seriously thinking of changing these are we? Once a command
> > set has been in use for as long a time as the PG command set has, any
> > benefit that may be derived by new users with an aversion to
> > documentation reading is vastly offset by the confusion that would
> > result among long time users whos scripts, tools and mental mental
> > processes all have the old names hardcoded in.
>
> Yes, I understand your point of view, but on other side there are
arguments in
> discussion, that for newbies old name are terrible to use and frankly, who
reads
> manual before he start to use a product?

MG>I do and frankly anyone who buys a product without understanding how this
fits into the existing system
MG>with no doc..no wiki ..no users group..is asking for heachaches..
MG>The whole idea of OpenSource project is participate in a project in which
everyone is passionate about
MG>create intelligent doc, create a wiki and have an active users group
>
> > I can't imagine how there would be a nomenclature clash, if there is,
> > then just take one of the tools out of the path, use symlinks or put
> > calling scripts in the path instead. These are suboptimal solutions,
> > granted, but *any* naming scheme we change to will be subject to the
> > possibility of naming clashes with another package with a similar name,
> > unless we make the binaries have long, verbose names. I don't know about
> > you, but I don't fancy having to type "postgresqlclient dbname" to start
> > a DB. I like "psql dbname".
>
> Nobody want to rename psql. Personaly, I dislike current command names for
long
> long time. Many times I tried create unix user by createuser command. And
these
> names could be potential names of system commands.
>
> > So I ask again, we're not seriously thinking about this are we?
>
> Yes, we are. And this is a reason why I prepare this survey, because we
could
> not reach a decision on the -hackers. However, it seems that we choose
third
> variant with new wrapper command pgc.
>
> Zdenek
>
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