Re: Standalone synchronous master

From: Rajeev rastogi <rajeev(dot)rastogi(at)huawei(dot)com>
To: Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnakangas(at)vmware(dot)com>
Cc: Florian Pflug <fgp(at)phlo(dot)org>, "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, Jim Nasby <jim(at)nasby(dot)net>, Hannu Krosing <hannu(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>, "Bruce Momjian" <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, Andres Freund <andres(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, "Amit Kapila" <amit(dot)kapila16(at)gmail(dot)com>, MauMau <maumau307(at)gmail(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Kevin Grittner <kgrittn(at)ymail(dot)com>, Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Standalone synchronous master
Date: 2014-01-27 03:56:23
Message-ID: BF2827DCCE55594C8D7A8F7FFD3AB7713DDBCB8B@SZXEML508-MBX.china.huawei.com
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On 01/25/2014, Josh Berkus wrote:
> > ISTM the consensus is that we need better monitoring/administration
> > interfaces so that people can script the behavior they want in
> > external tools. Also, a new synchronous apply replication mode would
> > be handy, but that'd be a whole different patch. We don't have a
> patch
> > on the table that we could consider committing any time soon, so I'm
> > going to mark this as rejected in the commitfest app.
>
> I don't feel that "we'll never do auto-degrade" is determinative;
> several hackers were for auto-degrade, and they have a good use-case
> argument. However, we do have consensus that we need more scaffolding
> than this patch supplies in order to make auto-degrade *safe*.
>
> I encourage the submitter to resumbit and improved version of this
> patch (one with more monitorability) for 9.5 CF1. That'll give us a
> whole dev cycle to argue about it.

I shall rework to improve this patch. Below are the summarization of all
discussions, which will be used as input for improving the patch:

1. Method of degrading the synchronous mode:
a. Expose the configuration variable to a new SQL-callable functions.
b. Using ALTER SYSTEM SET.
c. Auto-degrade using some sort of configuration parameter as done in current patch.
d. Or may be combination of above, which DBA can use depending on their use-cases.

We can discuss further to decide on one of the approach.

2. Synchronous mode should upgraded/restored after at-least one synchronous standby comes up and has caught up with the master.

3. A better monitoring/administration interfaces, which can be even better if it is made as a generic trap system.

I shall propose a better approach for this.

4. Send committing clients, a WARNING if they have committed a synchronous transaction and we are in degraded mode.

5. Please add more if I am missing something.

Thanks and Regards,
Kumar Rajeev Rastogi

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