Re: IMPORTANT: A temporary list for Strategic

Hey, fair go mate!

I hold a degree in Electronic Engineering, postgrad diploma in Computer
Science, Masters Degree in Biomedical Physics, majoring in Computer Aided
Tomography. I wrote my first compiler and multi-task operating system back
in the sixties. I was a pioneer in local area networking in the seventies.
I've solved design flaws in both the airframe and flight systems of the
F-111C strike aircraft and now run an international software company. Most
of our software was written by me and I had my hand in the developing the
rest.

OK, I am a little out of touch with some current technology but I am
catching up fast.

I can't abide elitists of any kind, be they technical or marketing. I have
wasted enough time on this. If you ever manage to figure out what you want,
email me. For now, I am bowing out of your list with a clear conscience that
I have done my best to help you.

Some of you guys are your own worst enemy. Sad really because I believe your
heart is in the right place but your high-octane egos and a fair smattering
of self-importance is preventing you from achieving what you should.

Best of luck.

Rob Napier
CEO

Cormoran Communication Pty Ltd
65 Upper Paper Mills Road
Fyansford VIC 3221 Australia
Ph: 011 61 3 5222 6999
Fax: 011 61 3 5222 3633

It¹s about time.

Email rob(at)trafficofficemanager(dot)com
Web http://www.trafficofficemanager.com

On 10/1/04 10:23 AM, "Bruno LEVEQUE" <bruno(dot)leveque(at)net6d(dot)com> wrote:

>
>
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
>> Peter Eisentraut wrote:
>>
>>> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> 1. Yet none of you are marketers. You are developers.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why do you say that? I think everyone on this list is interested in
>>> marketing (or they would not be here), and all the people involved in
>>> this thread have already done a fair share of work for that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I think you are missing my point. You by trade (I believe) are a
>> developer. I by trade am
>> a Consultant. Ron (I think that was his name) by trade is a marketing
>> guy. That does not
>> mean that each person can not deliver valid information to the project
>> but it does mean
>> we all think and process a little different.
>>
>> Personally, I like to hack, but I do not like to progam. Thus I hire
>> programmers to service
>> my customers long term programming needs. I like to sell, but can't
>> stand the sales process. Thus I have
>> a salesman to handle that.
>>
> Yes marketing men are a bit different. They don't think like a developer
> or a consultant.
>
> Just a question :
> If you do this temporary list, who decide of the contains of the work ?
> Only the subscribers of this temporary list.
> And none of the advocacy list (ie developer, consultant, syst eng, ...)
> who do postgres ?
> In this case developers cannot decide want they put in postgres only
> marketing decides this.
>
> I think everyone in advocacy list must see what the marketing think even
> if it is not very easy to take only threads you want.
>
>> Each person has a particular talent that they are strong in. I have
>> yet to meet a person who's
>> strong suit is marketing/sales that could handle the amount of
>> divergance that happens on a
>> mailing list, including my own salesman.
>>
>> That is why I think that a directed list, temporarily will provide a
>> boon to productivity to the
>> overall project.
>>
>>
>>>> prowess... this is what we are
>>>> talking about. MySQL marketing doesn't happen on the frito-lay crumbs
>>>> of a developers desk. It happens
>>>> in rooms with whiteboards, ties, coffee, cell phone and doughnuts.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The MySQL development process is also different from ours, so why
>>> can't the marketing process be different as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> It is already different in that we are marketing a project not a
>> product. Yes a product comes from
>> the resulting project but there is no money incentive. At least not
>> directly. All I am saying is that
>> marketing people are better at marketing and those people have a
>> certain way they do things and
>> that developers are better at developing and they have their way of
>> doing things. In short we should
>> be respectful and open to each way.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Joshua D. Drake
>>
>>
>>
>>
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