From: | Merlin Moncure <mmoncure(at)gmail(dot)com> |
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To: | Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> |
Cc: | Jim Nasby <jim(at)nasby(dot)net>, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org |
Subject: | Re: WALInsertLock contention |
Date: | 2011-06-09 04:30:03 |
Message-ID: | BANLkTi=AFk6286zSeaKg-rDRRp1pre6-DQ@mail.gmail.com |
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On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Merlin Moncure <mmoncure(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>> You're probably right. I think though there is enough hypothetical
>> upside to the private buffer case that it should be attempted just to
>> see what breaks. The major tricky bit is dealing with the new
>> pin/unpin mechanics. I'd like to give it the 'college try'. (being
>> typically vain and attention seeking, this is right up my alley) :-D.
>
> Well, I think it's fairly clear what will break:
>
> - If you make the data-file buffer completely private, then what will
> happen when some other backend needs to read or write that buffer?
The private wal buffer? The whole point (maybe impossible) is to try
and engineer it so that the other backends *never* have to read and
write it -- from their point of view, it hasn't happened yet (even
though it has been written into some heap buffers).
Since all data action on ongoing transactions can happen at any time,
moving wal inserts into the private buffer is delaying its entry into
the log so you can avoid taking locks for pre-commit heap activity.
Doing this allows the backends doing that to pretend they are actually
did write data out into the log without breaking the 'wal before data'
rule which is effected by keeping the pin on pages with your magic LSN
(which I'm starting to wonder if it should be a flag like
BM_DEFERRED_WAL). We essentially are moving xlog activity as far
ahead in time as possible (although in a very limited time space) in
order to combine locks and hopefully gain efficiency. It all comes
down to which rules you can bend and which you can break.
The heap pages that have been marked this way may or may not have to
be off limits from the backend other than the one that did the
marking, and if they have to be off limits logically, there may be no
realistic path to make them so. I just don't know...I'm learning as I
go. At the end of the day, it's all coming off as pretty fragile if
it even works, but it's fun to think about. Anyways, I'm inclined to
experiment.
> - If you make the XLOG spool private, you will not be able to checkpoint.
Correct -- but I don't think this problem is intractable, and is
really a secondary issue vs making sure the wal/heap/mvcc/backend
interactions 'work'. The intent here is to spool only a relatively
small amount of uncommitted transaction data for a short period of
time, like 5-10 seconds. Maybe you bite the bullet and tell everyone
to flush private WAL at checkpoint time via signal or something.
Maybe you bend the some rules on checkpoints.
merlin
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