Re: max_standby_delay considered harmful

From: Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Fujii Masao <masao(dot)fujii(at)gmail(dot)com>
Cc: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)alvh(dot)no-ip(dot)org>, Stefan Kaltenbrunner <stefan(at)kaltenbrunner(dot)cc>, Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>, Florian Pflug <fgp(at)phlo(dot)org>, Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine(at)hi-media(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, pgsql-hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, Greg Smith <greg(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
Subject: Re: max_standby_delay considered harmful
Date: 2010-05-13 03:07:29
Message-ID: AANLkTik_ay5lTJTEhAUqmEAREsKT7mEGxzmeJll3ERXw@mail.gmail.com
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On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Fujii Masao <masao(dot)fujii(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 4:55 AM, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>> I am wondering if we are not correctly handling the case where we get
>> a shutdown request while we are still in the PM_STARTUP state.  It
>> looks like we might go ahead and switch to PM_RECOVERY and then
>> PM_RECOVERY_CONSISTENT without noticing the shutdown.  There is some
>> logic to handle the shutdown when the startup process exits, but if
>> the startup process never exits it looks like we might get stuck.
>
> Right. I reported this problem and submitted the patch before.
> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2010-04/msg00592.php

Sorry we missed that.

> Stefan,
> Could you check whether the patch fixes the problem you encountered?

I think that would be a good thing to check (it'll confirm whether
this is the same bug), but I'm not convinced we should actually fix it
that way. Prior to 8.4, we handled a smart shutdown during recovery
at the conclusion of recovery, just prior to entering normal running.
I'm wondering if we shouldn't revert to that behavior in both 8.4 and
HEAD.

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Robert Haas
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The Enterprise Postgres Company

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