Re: XTS cipher mode for cluster file encryption

From: Sasasu <i(at)sasa(dot)su>
To: Yura Sokolov <y(dot)sokolov(at)postgrespro(dot)ru>, Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>
Cc: Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: XTS cipher mode for cluster file encryption
Date: 2021-10-26 03:08:38
Message-ID: 9a8008e0-2629-885c-6028-2d51978663ae@sasa.su
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On 2021/10/26 04:32, Yura Sokolov wrote:
> And among others Adiantum looks best: it is fast even without hardware
> acceleration,

No, AES is fast on modern high-end hardware.

on X86 AMD 3700X
type 1024 bytes 8192 bytes 16384 bytes
aes-128-ctr 8963982.50k 11124613.88k 11509149.42k
aes-128-gcm 3978860.44k 4669417.10k 4732070.64k
aes-128-xts 7776628.39k 9073664.63k 9264617.74k
chacha20-poly1305 2043729.73k 2131296.36k 2141002.10k

on ARM RK3399, A53 middle-end with AES-NI
type 1024 bytes 8192 bytes 16384 bytes
aes-128-ctr 1663857.66k 1860930.22k 1872991.57k
aes-128-xts 685086.38k 712906.07k 716073.64k
aes-128-gcm 985578.84k 1054818.30k 1056768.00k
chacha20-poly1305 309012.82k 318889.98k 319711.91k

I think the baseline is the speed when using read(2) syscall on
/dev/zero (which is 3.6GiB/s, on ARM is 980MiB/s)
chacha is fast on the low-end arm, but I haven't seen any HTTPS sites
using chacha, including Cloudflare and Google.

On 2021/10/26 04:32, Yura Sokolov wrote:
>> That sounds like a great thing to think about adding ... after we get
>> something in that's based on XTS.
> Why? I see no points to do it after. Why not XTS after Adiantum?
>
> Ok, I see one: XTS is standartized.
:>
PostgreSQL even not discuss single-table key rotation or remote KMS.
I think it's too hard to use an encryption algorithm which openssl
doesn't implement.

Attachment Content-Type Size
OpenPGP_0x4E72AF09097DAE2E.asc application/pgp-keys 7.9 KB

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