Re: Russian translations

Dear colleagues,

15.08.2016 12:59, Magnus Hagander пишет:
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>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Oleg Bartunov <obartunov(at)gmail(dot)com
> <mailto:obartunov(at)gmail(dot)com>> wrote:
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> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Magnus Hagander
> <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net <mailto:magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org
> <mailto:dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org>> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 8:59 PM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner
> >> <stefan(at)kaltenbrunner(dot)cc> wrote:
> >> > On 08/07/2016 12:27 PM, Pavel Luzanov wrote:
> >> >> Please, consider this path to include reference to Russian
> translation
> >> >> in the docs page: https://www.postgresql.org/docs
> <https://www.postgresql.org/docs>
> >> >>
> >> >> Now it really patch for
> git://git.postgresql.org/git/pgweb.git
> <http://git.postgresql.org/git/pgweb.git>
> >> >> repository.
> >> >
> >> > commited - should show up on the website soon.
> >>
> >> You realise this sets a new precedent in that we're linking to a
> >> commercial website for a translation of our docs? All the existing
> >> ones are non-commercial community sites.
> >>
> >> I'm not saying I object to that (I don't, as long as the
> translation
> >> is good, and similar expectations are held of the site as are
> held to
> >> those offering packages), but others may feel differently and not
> >> realise what just happened.
> >
> >
> >
> > I also notice that the first link on the page goes to the
> postgres pro
> > distribution rather than the community one. And the text on the
> linked page
> > pitches a sales contact for postgres pro.
> >
> > I see no major problem having it linked on the postgres pro site
> (though I
> > would prefer it to be a non-profit site, but it's not that
> important), but I
> > would ask for a landing-page that we link to that only has the
> community
> > docs in it directly, and that does not have a sales pitch on it.
> >
> > Also, if google translate is correct, it specifically says you
> can't use it
> > for commercial use. Would it be possible to add a clarification
> of what that
> > means? All our other documentation is freely available for use.
> Again, there
> > is no problem with it not being that -- but defining what it
> refers to is
> > probably a good idea (e.g. is it OK to use it by somebody who
> provides
> > PostgreSQL training in Russian, and just not OK if they want to
> re-sell it,
> > print it, or something like that, or is that kind of use also
> covered)?
> > (This might be covered in the Russian text and missed in the
> translation so
> > if so, just clarify the translation for the list, please).
>
> We all are open to suggestion, let's discuss the requirements to
> translation.
>
> 1. The link should goes to the page with translated community versions
>
Something like this: https://postgrespro.ru/docs/postgresql
>
> 2. That page should be commerce-free and contains links to the
> original documentation
>
Commerce-free... How free ? We would like to keep some main navigation
menu (may be, in a reduced form) with its links about products and
services etc.
>
> 3. All documentation should be provided without any restrictions and
> for free. That should be directly stated.
>
Presently, we want to restrict the commercial use of the Russian
translation. It means that the text is not BSD-licensed, and cannot be
freely included in any commercial products. Magnus, do you consider this
acceptable in the sense of your comments?

Regards,
Ivan Panchenko

>
> I'd be happy to have link to the other versions of documentation, such
> as Postgres Pro, but if community disagree we could live without it.
>
> Did I missed something ?
>
>
> That sounds great to me. If you can provide that, certainly all of my
> comments are taken care of.
>
> I see no problem to also link to the Postgres Pro documentation from
> it, as long as the community one is the one on the page. (That'd be
> similar to how you can go from our download page -> edb installers
> download -> in the menus find EDB commercial offerings).

>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Magnus Hagander
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