> > ORMs a function of poor development culture and vendor advocacy, not
>
> > the fault of SQL. If developers don't understand or are unwilling to
>
> > use joins in language A, they won't in language B either.
>
> >
>
> > merlin
>
> Back in the day, within IBM there were two separate relational
> databases. System-R (which came from San Hose) and PRTV (the Peterlee
> Relational Test vehicle). As I understand it SQL came from System-R
> and the optimizer (amongst other things) came from PRTV.
>
>
> PRTV
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Peterlee_Relational_Test_Vehicle_(PRTV)
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Peterlee_Relational_Test_Vehicle_(PRTV)>)
> did not use SQL, and was never a released product, except with a
> graphical add-on which was sold to two UK local authorities for urban
> planning.
>
>
> So there are (and always have been) different ways to send requests to
> a relational DB, it is just that SQL won the day.
>
>
Ah, lets not forget Mr Lane's favourite: quel