Re: Does this look ethical to you?

From: "Magnus Hagander" <mha(at)sollentuna(dot)net>
To: "Tony Caduto" <tony(dot)caduto(at)amsoftwaredesign(dot)com>, "Dave Page" <dpage(at)vale-housing(dot)co(dot)uk>
Cc: <pgsql-general(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Does this look ethical to you?
Date: 2006-01-24 15:45:16
Message-ID: 6BCB9D8A16AC4241919521715F4D8BCE6C7F35@algol.sollentuna.se
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> <Why? It is an Open Source package, distributed for free, at
> the personal expense of numerous people including myself. Why
> should we advertise your or anyone elses commercial products
> for free?>
>
> Because the installer is not letting it be known that there
> are alternatives available, I have had many people tell me
> they had no idea there where was anything else available.
>
> It does not matter that pgAdmin is open source,

Yes, it does. That is *exactly* what matters.
If pgAdmin wasn't open source, it wouldn't be in there.

> and letting
> users know about alternatives is not free advertising, free
> advertising would be you paying for my Google addwords account.

There we definitly disagree. I would consider it free advertising. Not
as direct, but still.

> You guys are doing the same thing as Microsoft did with
> Internet Explorer, let's include it so our browser/admin tool
> is all the user knows about or sees when they install the OS,
> or in this case the SQL server.

I don't think we do, and frankly, I resent that comment.

As an admin in a network that is a big user of Microsoft products, the
bundling of IE and Media Player is a *good thing to me as a customer*.
The same thing applies to me as an "end user at home". The thing that is
bad is the inability to replace them with something else, and the
inability to get rid of them if I want to. Neither of which applies to
pgAdmin - it's trivial to get rid of it.

> A link or blurb should be mentioned that there are other
> admin tools available or pgAdmin should not be installed either.

I'd find it reasonable to add a blurb somewhere about "note that there
are other tools and addons available. See for example
http://www.postgresql.org/download" or something like that. That
certainly provides some value to the end user, and there are also
several other OSS projects that would like that exposure. (Exact wording
is of course up for discussion)

Does this fulfill your wish for a link/blurb?

//Magnus

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