From: | Álvaro Hernández Tortosa <aht(at)8kdata(dot)com> |
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To: | Corey Huinker <corey(dot)huinker(at)gmail(dot)com>, PG <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: Soliciting Feedback on Improving Server-Side Programming Documentation |
Date: | 2016-03-15 20:38:26 |
Message-ID: | 56E872C2.4030704@8kdata.com |
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I started a similar thread with probably similar concerns:
http://www.postgresql.org/message-id/56D1A6AA.6080303@8kdata.com
I believe this effort should be done. I added to my TODO list to
compile a list of used functions in a selection of picked extensions to
use that as a starting point of an "API".
Regards,
Álvaro
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Álvaro Hernández Tortosa
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8Kdata
On 15/03/16 13:02, Corey Huinker wrote:
> Over the past few months, I've been familiarizing myself with postgres
> server side programming in C.
>
> My attempts to educate myself were slow and halting. The existing
> server side programming documentation has some examples, but those
> examples didn't show me how do what I wanted to do, and my
> research-via-google was highly circular, almost always pointing back
> to the documentation I had already found lacking, or a copy of it.
>
> Most of what I have learned I have culled from asking people on IRC,
> or bugging people I've met through user groups and PgConf. In all
> cases, people have been extremely helpful. However, this method is
> inefficient, because we're using two people's time, one of whom has to
> tolerate my incessant questions and slow learning pace.
>
> Furthermore, the helpful suggestions I received boiled down to:
> 1. The function/macro/var you're looking for is PG_FOO, git grep PG_FOO
> 2. Look in blah.c which does something like what you're trying to do
> 3. The comments in blah.h do a good job of listing and explaining this
> macro or that
>
> #1 git grep is a helpful reflex for discovering examples on my own,
> but it requires that I have a term to search on in the first place,
> and too often I don't know what I don't know.
>
> #2 is the gold standard in terms of correctness (the code had to have
> worked at least up to the last checkin date), and in terms of
> discoverability it often gave me names of new macros to search for,
> coding patterns, etc. However, I was always left with the questions:
> How would I have figured this out on my own? How is the next person
> going to figure it out? Why doesn't anybody document this?
>
> #3 Often answers the last question in #2: It *is* documented, but that
> documentation is not easily discoverable by conventional means.
>
> So what I'd like to do is migrate some of the helpful information in
> the header files into pages of web searchable documentation, and also
> to revamp the existing documentation to be more relevant.
>
> Along the way, I collected a list of things I wished I'd had from the
> start:
>
> * A list of all the GETARG_* macros. It would have been especially
> great if this were in table form: Your Parameter Is A / Use This
> Macro / Which Gives This Result Type / Working example.
> * A list/table of the DatumGet* macros. I'm aware that many of them
> overlap/duplicate others. That'd be good to know too.
> * The table at
> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/errcodes-appendix.html
> has the numeric codes and PL/PGSQL constants enumerated. It'd be
> nice if it had the C #define as well
> * The SPI documentation mentions most/all of the SPI functions, but
> I couldn't find documentation on the SPI variables like
> SPI_processed and SPI_tuptable.
> * Examples and explanation of how PG_TRY()/PG_CATCH work. How to add
> context callbacks.
> * Direct Function Calls
> * A comparison of the two modes of writing SRF functions
> (Materialize vs multi-call)
> * Less explanation of how to do write V0-style functions. That was
> called the "old style" back in version 7.1. Why is that
> information up front in the documentation when so much else is
> sequestered in header files?
>
> Some of these things may seem obvious/trivial to you. I would argue
> that they're only obvious in retrospect, and the more obvious-to-you
> things we robustly document, the quicker we accumulate programmers who
> are capable of agreeing that it's obvious, and that's good for the
> community.
>
> I'm aware that some of these APIs change frequently. In those cases, I
> suggest that we make note of that on the same page.
>
> Because I'm still going through the learning curve, I'm probably the
> least qualified to write the actual documentation. However, I have a
> clear memory of what was hard to learn and I have the motivation to
> make it easier on the next person. That makes me a good focal point
> for gathering, formatting, and submitting the documentation in patch
> form. I'm volunteering to do so. What I need from you is:
>
> * Citations of existing documentation in header files that
> could/should be exposed in our more formal documentation.
> * Explanations of any of the things above, which I can then reformat
> into proposed documentation.
> * A willingness to review the proposed new documentation
> * Reasoned explanations for why this is a fool's errand
>
> You supply the expertise, I'll write the patch.
>
> Thanks in advance.
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