Re: Policy for expiring lists WAS: Idea for a secondary list server

On 03/02/2015 09:58 AM, damien clochard wrote:
>
>>
>>> Maybe mailing lists for PUGs are a thing of the past -- perhaps we
>>> need to be thinking on getting the @postgres twitter account to
>>> re-tweet announcements posted by PUGs, or something like that, more
>>> suited to today's usage of comm channels rather than 1990's.
>>
>> I think it would be great to supplement such lists with twitter, but
>> the lists are used for a good bit more than broadcast announcements.
>>
>
> I agree with that : Twitter (and also Meetup in a way) are top-down
> messaging: a few individual are controling the account and broadcasting
> news to a local user base.

not only that it is also what younger people are simply used to, for a
lot of people coming out of university mailinglists are something they
have never come across (as a primary communication tool)

>
> This is probably usefull enough in many case, but I can understand that
> some groups may want to have a more horizontal medium like a mailing list.
>
> In this community mailing lists are the place where most of the big
> decisions are made. When I first got involved and I saw all the mailing
> lists and how simple it was to join the collective effort, I remembered
> thinking "wow this is where things happen".

sure but I will again point out (as said elsewhere on the thread) that
the overall mailinglist traffic (across all lists) is declining for
years now and that specific to PUGs none of the recently (where recently
is like 2 years) created lists have any traffic.
So my point is that we are promoting/discussing the wrong thing here....

>
> I totally understand that for someone who wants to launch a PUG in
> his/her area, opening a mailing list is not just about getting a
> communication tool: it's a gesture of recognition. It means you're part
> of the family. It's having the people you admire telling you : "go for
> it ! here's your tool !"

that is _exactly_ the point, people dont want a ML because they need one
but because they think the need recognition, and _THAT_ is what we need
to fix and what we should focus on

Stefan