Re: Heroku early upgrade is raising serious questions

From: "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
To: Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>
Cc: Michael Meskes <meskes(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org>, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, Adrian Klaver <adrian(dot)klaver(at)gmail(dot)com>, damien clochard <damien(at)dalibo(dot)info>, "Jonathan S(dot) Katz" <jonathan(dot)katz(at)excoventures(dot)com>, PostgreSQL Advocacy <pgsql-advocacy(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Heroku early upgrade is raising serious questions
Date: 2013-04-09 16:46:02
Message-ID: 516445CA.8040602@commandprompt.com
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On 04/09/2013 09:29 AM, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Joshua D. Drake (jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com) wrote:
>> On 04/09/2013 09:01 AM, Michael Meskes wrote:
>>>> Well no because traditional packagers all release at the same time
>>>> so that there is no disparity between when Ubuntu gets the fix and
>>>> Solaris gets the fix.
>>>
>>> So what do I misunderstand? As far as I read it, Damien said all should get the
>>> fix at the same time, right? Which is what you say and also what Dave said,
>>> isn't it? I think the question we're dancing around here is, should anyone be
>>> allowed to deploy before the embargo is over? I don't mind DBaaS providers
>>> getting the fix early, but I mind seeing it deployed early.
>>
>> Maybe I wasn't clear, sorry. No. I do not believe that ANY entity
>> should be able to deploy before the embargo is over.
>
> Then perhaps I'm missing something, but what's the point in getting the
> update if you can't actually apply it until everyone (including the bad
> guys) know about it? Particularly when applying it is going to take a
> whole lot more time than it takes for the bad guys to probe your systems
> and figure out which aren't patched yet...

I don't know that there is a all-in-one solution for this particular
scenario.

Joshua D. Drake

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