Re: [pgsql-pkg-debian] Re: We should not transition to apt.postgresql.org until we have a PPA

On 2/19/13 10:22 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote:
>> Typical complaint:
>> http://costela.net/2009/12/notes-on-the-google-chrome-debian-package/
>
> Yes, they do a number of things you're not "supposed to do" on debian.
> Our packages are actually *very* well behaved on debian and ubuntu,
> and that is a property we should work hard to keep. That doesn't mean
> we can't improve the installation experience, of course.

That was the main thing I thought was being talked past. Some people
look at the ease of use of a PPA or the Debian Chrome installer and
think "why isn't PostgreSQL this easy?" It could be, and if Martin is
willing to pull some more infrastructure into postgresql-common that
would make things a lot smoother.

The reasons why a really simple UI wasn't the first target for something
worth shipping are hard to understand. You need to have spent a good
bit of time packaging for Debian to appreciate why the Chrome install
smells funny to some. I just barely get it myself. You can't really
nail a PPA style release and something that makes all the Debian admins
happy at the same time. There's a deep and not obvious disconnect
between the goals of each type of packaging. I read "We should not
transition to apt.postgresql.org until we have a PPA" as being like "we
shouldn't release the apple juice until we have the perfect oranges".
All important things, but they're not the same target.

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