Re: PL/java?

After having seen this Perl / Java debate go back and forth...
I can't help myself...

<RANT>
The answer is Python !!!
For the best middleware you're ever likely to integrate with Postgresql :
http://www.zope.org

To see its "enterprise scalability":
http://www.zope.org/About

To see it taking LOTS of hits:
http://ns1.zope.org:82/

To see it NOT using much memory at all:
http://ns1.zope.org:82/cgi-bin/zope-track.pl
(this one loads kinda slow, maybe cause it's done in Perl?)
</RANT>

The real point here is that programmers are religious about their choice of
language,
and highly resistant to changing, which is why Postgres supports so many
languages!

I happen to prefer python, but that's just me. http://www.python.org if
you're curious

Adam

At 06:21 AM 9/4/01, you wrote:
>Hi Alex,
>
>Saying that mod_perl is slower than any java apps is purely marketing
>for java. An other guy told me that one day, I just bench it to show him
>how java developper just talk marketing. So the result was that with small
>users the performance was the same and with many user mod_perl is
>really speediest. Secondly mod_perl doesn't crash the system, under Linux
>using Java is a waste of time and a leak of memory ! Marketing is probably
>why daniel talk about Win$
>
>When first Java was out it was called the "Perl killer", so after many years
>Perl is most uses than Java, ask you why ???
>
>For your other words what you do in Java can be done in perl more quickly
>more efficiently and with writing many less lines !
>
>An other example is the Oracle XML/SQL Servlet that it was plan to use
>in my company. After hearing too many marketing words I write the same
>in perl in 3 days and extend the possibility with no limits. Now they're using
>Perl, ask you why ? This is use in the entreprise commercial application that
>I think you call entreprise level !
>
>At this time Perl is the only really portable language over any OS.
>
>In my opinion PL/Java is purely a waste of time but some have time so why
>not !
>
>Sorry but I can not let you say words like that, we are not newbe :-(
>
>In your way I can tell you that before using Perl I also preach for Java :-)
>But
>after rewritten many time the same apps with the differents versions of Java
>and the OS where it should work it ended to decide me: no more Java !
>
>Regards
>
>Gilles Darold
>
>Alex Knight wrote:
>
> > Daniel, thank you kindly for your input.
> >
> > However, mod_perl is absolutely slower than most any j2ee application.
> > If all you are doing is keeping a session variable to count number of hits
> > on a web page, then sure, perl is more than sufficient, possibly faster.
> > But when you start doing anything of importance, enterprise level stuff,
> > you need something scalable in ways java can go, but perl just doesn't
> > seem to have _easy_ or sometimes _existant_ ways to implement.
> >
> > How would you go about synchronizing session data on 10 application servers
> > running mod_perl _without_ using the database to "mirror" that data in
> > memory? It's not very difficult to do it in Java. (Ofcourse, any smart
> > architect would use content switches generally to keep a remote user
> > associated with the initial app server to reduce the necessity of such
> > "replication" technologies).
> >
> > Not sure how you are associating me with windows, but no, all my server
> > stuff is always *nix. My answer on awt and swing was in reference to
> > someone else who was basing their opinion of java on awt/swing's
> > capabilities. Regardless, "applets" using awt/swing can be easily run
> > under Linux Mozilla or Netscape, or HotJava, etc. So you can't really
> > say that's enough to assume we're talking about windows.
> >
> > -Knight
>
>
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