Re: Extreme incompetence by pgAdmin people in every way imaginable...

I don't care regarding the blames. It's author's concern.
But I also unsuscribed from the list, received the mail, and confirmed.
Neverthless, the mails continue arriving.

On 23/06/17 16:08, Eric P. Melbardis wrote:
>
> this is for the postgress folks,
>
> I started getting these emails a few days, maybe a week ago, I
> unsubscribed (I think, I went through the motions for sure)
>
> but I still keep getting these emails …
>
> warm flames for sure
>
> but, can we please put the fire out (ie stop the unwanted email
> traffic???)
>
> eric
>
> ps: over ½ the emails have the solitary word ‘unsubscribe’ in them …
> wonder if they will get this email also …
>
> *From:*Roland Kaschek [mailto:rolandkaschek(at)gmail(dot)com]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2017 12:04 PM
> *To:* Melvin Davidson
> *Cc:* pgadmin-support(at)postgresql(dot)org; Russell Mercer; Paragon Corporation
> *Subject:* Re: RE: Extreme incompetence by pgAdmin people in every way
> imaginable...
>
> Guys,
>
> There are folks here, who get your posts and since quite some time
> want to get out of this list.
>
> Do you think they enjoy your conversation?
>
> I don't, by the way.
>
> Thank you & best regards.
>
> Am 23.06.2017 20:58 schrieb "Melvin Davidson" <melvin6925(at)yahoo(dot)com
> <mailto:melvin6925(at)yahoo(dot)com>>:
>
> *Russell,*
>
> *>**I still use PG Admin 4 because it supports features in the new
> versions of Postgres that *
>
> *> version 3 simply doesn't.*
>
> *Just curious. What features does PgAdmin 4 have that PgAdmin III does
> not?*
>
> *I did a survey involving a future feature that is planned, but I have
> not yet *
>
> *seen that as of 4 v1.5 .*
>
> *Melvin Davidson **🎸*
> *I reserve the right to fantasize. Whether or not you
> wish to share my fantasy is entirely up to you. **Image removed by
> sender.**
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>
> On Friday, June 23, 2017, 2:47:51 PM EDT, Paragon Corporation
> <lr(at)pcorp(dot)us <mailto:lr(at)pcorp(dot)us>> wrote:
>
> Russell,
>
> I fail to see a “valid” criticism in the original email. If there
> anything constructive at all, I would not have deemed him/her a fool.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Leo
>
> *From:*Russell Mercer [mailto:rmercer(at)getspatial(dot)com
> <mailto:rmercer(at)getspatial(dot)com>]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2017 2:04 PM
> *To:* Paragon Corporation <lr(at)pcorp(dot)us <mailto:lr(at)pcorp(dot)us>>
> *Cc:* 'Pgadmin Support' <pgadmin-support(at)postgresql(dot)org
> <mailto:pgadmin-support(at)postgresql(dot)org>>
> *Subject:* Re: Extreme incompetence by pgAdmin people in every way
> imaginable...
>
> It is my hope that this response does not indicate what I think it
> might, which is that the valid criticisms he has made in his emails
> are being lost in the immaturity with which he has presented them.
>
> The points are valid that PG Admin 4 is extremely slow on Windows
> machines. It is also true that there is a feature gap between this new
> version of the software, and PG Admin 3. It is extremely surprising
> that this gap exists given the stated $1,000,000+ expenditure for
> development of the new version. Where PG Admin 3 was able to spread
> across multiple windows on multiple monitors, PG Admin 4 is
> constrained to essentially a browser window.
>
> With the issues it has, I still use PG Admin 4 because it supports
> features in the new versions of Postgres that version 3 simply
> doesn't. I know the developers have been active on the mailing list
> and are attempting to suss out some of the thornier performance issues
> on Windows. For these reasons, I have made my concerns known a couple
> of times, but will not continue to harp on them.
>
> I realize that in the end, I get what I pay for. If you choose to
> cast people as fools who have criticisms of your software, that is
> your choice. I am a user of the database, and the admin software. I
> am not a software developer, so my avenues for action to solve the
> problem are limited. I am left with the option to air my concerns, as
> are many other people. Hopefully we are not written off simply because
> this is all we do, however poorly we may choose to present them.
>
> The story of the court jesters of old comes to mind. They were
> written off as fools by the majority of people, however they used that
> as cover to deliver what was in many cases, extremely pointed social
> commentary. So, while the original poster may be considered a fool, it
> does not make him wrong.
>
> Thank you for the time and effort put forth on both PostgreSQL and
> PGAdmin. They are great tools!
>
> Russell
>
> On 2017-06-23 07:07, Paragon Corporation wrote:
>
> "Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain. And most fools do."
>
> --- Benjamin Franklin
>
> *From:*grekloedlc(at)tutanota(dot)com <mailto:grekloedlc(at)tutanota(dot)com>
> [mailto:grekloedlc(at)tutanota(dot)com]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2017 9:16 AM
> *To:* Pgadmin Support <pgadmin-support(at)postgresql(dot)org
> <mailto:pgadmin-support(at)postgresql(dot)org>>
> *Subject:* Extreme incompetence by pgAdmin people in every way
> imaginable...
>
> This isn't even funny. It's just sad and bizarre. Everything about
> this project screams of incompetence, from the impossibly slow and
> buggy pgAdmin 4 -- literally UNUSABLE after over a million dollars
> spent developing it! -- to this mailing list itself.
>
> I'm going to have to assume that nobody gives a shit about
> anything related to pgAdmin. I'm sure as hell never going to
> "upgrade" from pgAdmin III, which itself is incredibly slow and
> buggy as well, but lightyears ahead of v4.
>
> Then again, nobody will read this, just like my previous posts.
> You are immune to the truth. I'm going to force myself to use one
> of the weird "alternatives" and forget about pgAdmin forever. Bye.
>
> (If I manage to unsubscribe to this inferno.)
>