From: | Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net> |
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To: | Alastair Turner <bell(at)ctrlf5(dot)co(dot)za> |
Cc: | Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: superusers are members of all roles? |
Date: | 2011-04-07 10:33:08 |
Message-ID: | 4D9D92E4.8080205@dunslane.net |
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On 04/07/2011 03:48 AM, Alastair Turner wrote:
>>>
>>> The problem here is that if Andrew had had the opposite case (a
>>> positive-logic hba entry requiring membership in some group to get into
>>> a database), and that had locked out superusers, he'd be on the warpath
>>> about that too. And with a lot more reason.
>> In such a case I could add the superusers to the role explicitly, or make
>> the rule cover superusers as well. But as the situation is now, any rule
>> covering a group covers superusers, whether I want it to or not. I'd rather
>> have a choice in the matter (and it's clear I'm not alone in that).
>>
>> The introduction of hot standby has made this pattern more likely to occur.
>> It happened here because we have a bunch of users that are allowed to
>> connect to the standby but not to the master, and the rules I was trying to
>> implement were designed to enforce that exclusion.
>>
> Is the solution possibly to assign positive entries on the basis of
> the superuser being a member of all groups but require negative
> entries to explicitly specify that they apply to superuser?
>
> That would provide least surprise for the simplistic concept of
> superuser - a user who can do anything any other user can - and allow
> for superuser remote access to be restricted if desired.
>
I think that's just about guaranteed to produce massive confusion. +foo
should mean one thing, regardless of the rule type. I seriously doubt
that very many people who work with this daily would agree with Tom's
argument about what that should be.
cheers
andrew
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