Re: Talking about optimizer, my long dream

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Cédric Villemain wrote:
> 2011/2/4 Frank Heikens <frankheikens(at)mac(dot)com>:
>
>> On 04 Feb, 2011,at 02:56 PM, Mladen Gogala <mladen(dot)gogala(at)vmsinfo(dot)com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Віталій Тимчишин wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, all.
>>>
>>> All this optimizer vs hint thread
>>>
>> There is no "optimizer vs. hint". Hints are a necessary part of the
>> optimizer in all other databases.
>>
>>
>> That has nothing to do with PostgreSQL: PostgreSQL = PostgreSQL. And it
>> doesn't have hints and everybody knows it.
>>
>> Without hints Postgres will not get
>> used in the company that I work for, period.
>>
>>
>> That's up to you, that's fine. But why did you start with PostgreSQL in the
>> first place? You knew PostgreSQL doesn't have hints and the wiki told you
>> hints are not wanted as well. When hints are an essential requirement for
>> your company, you should pick another product, EnterpriseDB Postgres Plus
>> for example.
>>
>> I was willing to wait but
>> the fatwa against hints seems unyielding,
>>
>>
>> There is no fatwa. The PostgreSQL project prefers to spend resources on a
>> better optimizer to solve the real problems, not on hints for working around
>> the problems. That has nothing to do with any fatwa or religion.
>>
>> so that's it. I am even
>> inclined to believe that deep down under the hood, this fatwa has an
>> ulterior motive, which disgusts me deeply. With hints, there would be
>> far fewer consulting gigs.
>>
>>
>> The consulting guys are the ones who love hints: They know they have to come
>> back the other month because the old hint does more harm than good when data
>> changes. And data will change over time.
>>
>> You said it's so simple to implement hints in PostgreSQL, so please, show
>> us. Or ask/pay somebody to write this simple code for you to support hints,
>> nobody will ever stop you from doing that. When you have a use case that
>> proves the usage of hints will improve the performance of PostgreSQL and you
>> have some code that can be maintained by the PostgreSQL project, it might be
>> implemented in the contrib or even core. It's up to you, not somebody else.
>>
>
> Just in case you miss it:
> http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/wiki/plantuner
>
> Btw feel free to do how you want, it is open source, and BSD, you can
> take PostgreSQL, add hints, go and sell that to your boss.
>
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>
>>
>> Mladen Gogala
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>> 1500 Broadway
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