Re: How much do the hint bits help?

On 22.12.2010 16:52, Simon Riggs wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 16:22 +0200, Heikki Linnakangas wrote:
>> On 22.12.2010 15:59, Simon Riggs wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 15:30 +0200, Heikki Linnakangas wrote:
>>>> My gut feeling is that a reasonable compromise is to set hint bits like
>>>> we do today, but don't mark the page as dirty when only hint bits are
>>>> set. That way you get the benefit of hint bits for tuples that are
>>>> frequently accessed and stay in buffer cache. But you don't spend any
>>>> extra I/O to set them. I'd really like to see a worst-case scenario
>>>> benchmark of a patch that does that.
>>>
>>> That sounds great, but still prevents block checksums and that is a very
>>> valuable feature for robustness.
>>
>> It does? The problem with block checksums is that if you modify a page
>> and don't have a corresponding WAL record for it, like a hint bit
>> update, you can have a torn page so that the checksum doesn't match.
>> Refraining from dirtying the page when a hint bit is updated avoids the
>> problem. With that change, we only ever write pages to disk that have a
>> WAL record associated with it, with full-page images as necessary to
>> avoid torn pages.
>
> Which then leads to a block CRC not matching the block in memory.

What do you mean?

Do you envision that the CRC is calculated at every update, or only when
a page is written out from the buffer cache? If the former, you could
recalculate the CRC at a hint bit update too. If the latter, the hint
bits are included in the page image that you checksum just like any
other data.

> So what you suggest works only if we restrict CRC checking to blocks
> incoming to the buffer cache, but leaves us unable to do CRC checks on
> blocks once in the buffer cache. Since many blocks stay in cache almost
> constantly, we're left with the situation that the most heavily used
> parts of the database seldom get CRC checked.

There's plenty of stuff in memory that's not covered by an
application-level CRC. That's what ECC RAM is for. Updating the CRC at
every update to a page seems really expensive, but it's an orthogonal
issue to hint bits.

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Heikki Linnakangas
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