From: | James Mansion <james(at)mansionfamily(dot)plus(dot)com> |
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To: | Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> |
Cc: | Greg Smith <greg(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Kevin Grittner <Kevin(dot)Grittner(at)wicourts(dot)gov>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com, Scott Marlowe <scott(dot)marlowe(at)gmail(dot)com>, Steve Crawford <scrawford(at)pinpointresearch(dot)com>, pgsql-performance(at)postgresql(dot)org, Ben Chobot <bench(at)silentmedia(dot)com> |
Subject: | Re: BBU Cache vs. spindles |
Date: | 2010-10-28 20:33:19 |
Message-ID: | 4CC9DE0F.50401@mansionfamily.plus.com |
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Tom Lane wrote:
> The other and probably worse problem is that there's no application
> control over how soon changes to mmap'd pages get to disk. An msync
> will flush them out, but the kernel is free to write dirty pages sooner.
> So if they're depending for consistency on writes not happening until
> msync, it's broken by design. (This is one of the big reasons we don't
> use mmap'd space for Postgres disk buffers.)
>
Well, I agree that it sucks for the reason you give - but you use write
and that's *exactly* the
same in terms of when it gets written, as when you update a byte on an
mmap'd page.
And you're quite happy to use write.
The only difference is that its a lot more explicit where the point of
'maybe its written and maybe
it isn't' occurs.
There need be no real difference in the architecture for one over the
other: there does seem to be
evidence that write and read can have better forward-read and
write-behind behaviour, because
read/write does allow you to initiate an IO with a hint to a size that
exceeds a hardware page.
And yes, after getting into the details while starting to port TC to
Windows, I decided to bin
it. Especially handy that SQLite3 has WAL now. (And one last dig - TC
didn't even
have a checksum that would let you tell when it had been broken: but it
might all be fixed now
of course, I don't have time to check.)
James
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