Re: Problem serving one-click installer to Syria

On 15/06/2010 02:16 ?, Greg Stark wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner
> <stefan(at)kaltenbrunner(dot)cc> wrote:
>
>> yeah - We really can't discriminate against some of our users in that
>> way(and we are not doing that on any of our other sites). If we cannot get
>> this fixed in a generic way we really need to look into alternative ways -
>> at least for people being affected by that - to get to the one-click
>> installer.
>>
> Well South Korea would have been obviously just a mistake. But I would
> expect it to be an issue for any US company to server IPs in Syria,
> North Korea, Cuba, Iran, or Burma/Myanmar.
This issue found in some cases not all, for example we can buy from
Microsoft products and many other websites where we can't download or
contribute in MySQL, sf.net, OpenOffice or even reading specific
articles at IBM although there are some old contributors from Syria and
the other blacklisted countries in many open source projects and many
many projects owned by non-American people or even Americans believe in
freedom and don't agree with forbidding policy for open source stuffs.

> Actually I don't know what
> restrictions there would be for a product that isn't being sold but I
> wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to be conservative and just not
> serve those IPs at all.
>
OK if they wanted to be conservative why they accept payments from these
IPs? why they allow users of theses IPs to use US e-mail services? why
they allow us to use facebook or Twitter where don't for scientific
articles? where they don't allow us to just read a non-atomic article?

OOOH I got, this is the modern democracy! Thanks a lot Mr. Obama & Mrs.
Clinton they want to liberate us from communist or socialistic dictators
where they didn't worst than them.

> For the community it might be tricky to solve since many of the
> servers are hosted or sponsored by US organizations. Having some
> servers with different rules than others might complicate matters
> significantly.
>
No I think the problem can be solved easily just make mirrors outside US.

For example before moving some open source projects we asked Launchpad
<https://launchpad.net/> admins if they apply US rule for blacklist
counties and they answered No the open source must be opened for the
humanity not for specific peoples this is clear principle (their servers
in UK). Same answer I got from BerliOS <http://developer.berlios.de/>
(in Germany). For that many open source projects decided to move outside
sf.net (US server) to GNA (French), Launchpad <https://launchpad.net/>,
BerliOS <http://developer.berlios.de/> and many other open source
hosting services.

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