From: | Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> |
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To: | Thomas Munro <thomas(dot)munro(at)gmail(dot)com> |
Cc: | Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)enterprisedb(dot)com>, Daniel Gustafsson <daniel(at)yesql(dot)se>, Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>, David Steele <david(at)pgmasters(dot)net>, Dmitry Dolgov <9erthalion6(at)gmail(dot)com>, Jakub Wartak <Jakub(dot)Wartak(at)tomtom(dot)com>, Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: WIP: WAL prefetch (another approach) |
Date: | 2021-11-27 02:46:55 |
Message-ID: | 477464.1637981215@sss.pgh.pa.us |
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Thomas Munro <thomas(dot)munro(at)gmail(dot)com> writes:
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 12:34 PM Tomas Vondra
> <tomas(dot)vondra(at)enterprisedb(dot)com> wrote:
>> One thing that's not clear to me is what happened to the reasons why
>> this feature was reverted in the PG14 cycle?
> 3. A wild goose chase for bugs on Tom Lane's antique 32 bit PPC
> machine. Tom eventually reproduced it with the patches reverted,
> which seemed to exonerate them but didn't leave a good feeling: what
> was happening, and why did the patches hugely increase the likelihood
> of the failure mode? I have no new information on that, but I know
> that several people spent a huge amount of time and effort trying to
> reproduce it on various types of systems, as did I, so despite not
> reaching a conclusion of a bug, this certainly contributed to a
> feeling that the patch had run out of steam for the 14 cycle.
Yeah ... on the one hand, that machine has shown signs of
hard-to-reproduce flakiness, so it's easy to write off the failures
I saw as hardware issues. On the other hand, the flakiness I've
seen has otherwise manifested as kernel crashes, which is nothing
like the consistent test failures I was seeing with the patch.
Andres speculated that maybe we were seeing a kernel bug that
affects consistency of concurrent reads and writes. That could
be an explanation; but it's just evidence-free speculation so far,
so I don't feel real convinced by that idea either.
Anyway, I hope to find time to see if the issue still reproduces
with Thomas' new patch set.
regards, tom lane
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