Re: lock entire database

Scott Marlowe wrote:

>On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 12:19, Ron St-Pierre wrote:
>
>>Benjamin wrote:
>>
>>>Thanx Ron for that.
>>>I got the listing of the tables.
>>>The \d option gives u a formatter output. I just wanted a list , that
>>>i cud loop on.
>>>I guess that cud be done with a simple "SELECT tablename from
>>>pg_tables where schemaname='public' ".
>>>
>>>Now to the need to lock the database. I need to backup the database at
>>>run-time, on another machine, which is a backup for the first one. So
>>>the data has to match exactly as on the first. So till the backup
>>>faithfuly copies everything down, there shud be no changes on the main
>>>machine.
>>>
>>Postgres uses MVCC (multiversion concurrency control) which basically
>>means that each transaction takes a snapshot of the database when a user
>>performs a query (read, update, whatever). So if a pg_dump of the entire
>>database occurs within a single transaction, this would ensure that you
>>have a valid snapshot at one particular instance. *Can anyone verify if
>>this is indeed true*?
>>
>>If that is true then a pg_dump should solve your problem.
>>
>
>Yes it is true, but only for a single database in the cluster at a
>time. If you have data in two databases in the pgsql cluster, each will
>be started at a different point in time.
>
>However, it may be that the poster is trying to do something like Point
>in Time recovery (he could just test 8.0 and see how PITR works, it
>might be a better option). IFF he needs the two databases to be exactly
>the same, then something like a pooling connection thingie like pgpool
>will get turned on and starts writing the same updates to both databases
>at the same time, he might need to truly lock out all changes for a
>bit. OR maybe he's wanting to backup the one server and take it
>offline, so changes made would be lost there.
>
>I think we may need a bit more explanation on just what Benjamin is
>trying to accomplish to give the right answer.
>
Ok. The scene now.
Machine A is the Primary, and Machine B is the backup for A.
When B is booting up, it has to duplicate the entire pgsql db from A.
As Ron said, cud do with a pg_dump. But, i guess, pg_dump takes quite
some time. As A is already up, it wud be unwise to lock the db for so
long. Also, even if i do go ahead with pg_dump, and then do a pg_restore
on B, by the time data is being pg_restore'ed on B, a query cud modify/
update the db on A.
My idea was to lock the db on A, scp the required files onto B and then
unlock db on A.

Is the picture clear now?

--

Benjamin Jacob.

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