Re: what's going on with lapwing?

From: Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>
To: Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net>
Cc: Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Julien Rouhaud <rjuju123(at)gmail(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, PostgreSQL Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org>, Andrew Dunstan <adunstan(at)postgresql(dot)org>, pgbuildfarm(at)rjuju(dot)net
Subject: Re: what's going on with lapwing?
Date: 2025-03-06 17:13:21
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Hi,

On 2025-03-06 11:57:05 -0500, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
> On 2025-03-06 Th 10:45 AM, Robert Haas wrote:
> > By the way, is there a particular reason why we're keeping Debian 7
> > coverage in the buildfarm? I don't want to be in a huge rush to kill
> > platforms people still care about, but it was pointed out to me
> > off-list that this is quite an old release -- it seems Debian 7 was
> > first released in 2013, last released in 2016, EOL in 2018. I assume
> > that not too many people are going to install a PostgreSQL release
> > that comes out in 2025 on an OS that's been EOL for 7 years (or 12
> > years if the BF page is correct that this is actually Debian 7.0).
> > Somewhat oddly, I see that we have coverage for Debian 9, 11, 12, and
> > 13, but not 8 or 10. Is there a theory behind all of this or is the
> > current situation somewhat accidental?
>
> Fairly accidental, I think.
>
> We do have a project at EDB at fill in certain gaps in buildfarm coverage,
> so maybe we can reduce the incidence of such accidents.

I think the way to fix the gap is to drop the buildfarm animal running an OS
that has been unsupported for 7 years / without security fixes for 9 years,
not to add an animal running an OS that has been unsupported for 4 years /
without security fixes for 6 years (i.e. Debian 8).

Debian 9 has been out of support for 2 years / without security fixes for 4.

Debian 10 is also out of LTS support, albeit more recently 30 June 2024 and
has been out of security support for 2 1/2 years.

Keeping this old stuff around is a burden on everyone that commits stuff and
probably on some contributors too.

I'd not necessarily fight hard to drop a perfectly working Debian 10 animal,
but adding a new one at this point makes no sense whatsoever.

Greetings,

Andres

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