ALERT This mailing list may be voted into a newsgroup

Andy M wrote:

> ALERT
>
> There is a person by the name of Mike Cox who's trying
> to turn this mailing list into a Big-8 newsgroup.

No, I'm trying to get teh postgresql groups which are already ON usenet to
follow proper usenet guidelines. In order to be under the comp.* hierarchy
the server MUST go through RFD and CFV. Otherwise it is a ROGUE group!

The proper thing would have been to go through the process when they were
placed on usenet OR put them under the alt.* hierarchy.

So in essence, postgresql is under the comp.* hierarchy illegally already,
and many usenet servers that are followin proper proceedures do not carry
it. Other server that do not care about proper hierarchy or are trying to
include everything for their paying subscribers do.

By making the postgresql group legitimate, many more servers will carry the
group, and more people can participate. Also, making the group legitimate
will increase the postgresql brand because currently it is violating usenet
rules by being placed under the comp.* hierarchy!

>Many
> of you know that this and most of the other postresql
> mailing lists are already gated to Google Groups and a
> small number of private news servers. If Mike Cox
> succeeds, this list will be available as a newsgroup
> on a great many more ISPs and NSPs, which could be a
> good or a bad thing. For one, e-mail addresses on this
> list will probably receive an increased volume of
> spam.
>
> This person Mike wrote his own charter for this
> mailing list, without asking for help from any of the
> list subscribers. He went ahead and submitted the
> proposal to the Usenet big-wigs without consulting the
> mailing list first.

That is the Request for Discussion (RFD). It is the offical way to discuss
the proposal. Any changes to the charter are welcome. The RFD requires a
charter and I included a default one because I couldn't locate the
"official" one. It is easy to submitt another RFD with the improved
charter, but first we must start the discussion, which is what I'm doing.

The RFD, is just that A Request for Discussion!!! That means I'm doing
exactly what Andy WANTS!

Later if people dislike the idea, they can vote against it of course. If
there seems to be a general dislike for the idea it doesn't even have to
come before a CFV (call for votes). I just won't turn in the questionaire,
and the whole thing will die.

It would be a serious mistake, since the postgresql newsgroups are violating
usenet regulations and many proper usenet providers consider the
comp.databases.postgresql.* as BOGUS because they never went through RFD
and CFV.

> The discussion is occurring in the
> news.groups Usenet group by a bunch of Usenet techies.
> Please get involved in the discussion and express your
> views. By all means, vote, when the time comes.
>
> If you have no access to Usenet, you could follow the
> discussion via Google Groups. Here are links to some
> of the threads--
>
> http://shorl.com/jevukofrolelo
> http://shorl.com/hunofetaprona
> http://shorl.com/boranobrimise
>
> Andy
>
>
> Proposal is below:
>
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> unmoderated group
> comp.databases.postgresql.general
>
> This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the
> creation of
> a worldwide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup
> comp.databases.postgresql.general.
> This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at
> this time.
> Procedural details are below.
>
> RATIONALE: comp.databases.postgresql.general
>
> comp.databases.postgresql.general exists in
> groups.google.com. It
> has never gone through the big eight process of RFD
> and CFV, therefore
> is considered "bogus" and many news servers will not
> carry
> comp.databases.postgresql.general.
>
> comp.databases.postgresql.general is already very
> active, with many
> people posting and reading through groups.google.com.
> Having it
> be an official big eight group will enable people to
> follow it
> through their usenet servers.
>
> CHARTER: comp.databases.postgresql.general
>
> The comp.databases.postgresql.general unmoderated
> newsgroup will
> provide a general discussion location for users of the
> open-source
> PostgreSQL RDBMS.
>
> Postgresql is the most advanced open source relational
> database
> management system with thousands of users. It has
> won many awards
> and is distributed with almost every Linux and BSD
> distribution.
>
> PostgreSQL may be freely downloaded from
> http://www.postgresql.org.
>
> END CHARTER.
>
> PROCEDURE:
>
> This is a request for discussion, not a call for
> votes. In this phase
> of the process, any potential problems with the
> proposed newsgroups
> should be raised and resolved. The discussion period
> will continue
> for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first
> RFD for this
> proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after
> which a Call For
> Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if
> the discussion
> warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this
> happens.
>
> All discussion of this proposal should be posted to
> news.groups.
>
> This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet
> newsgroup creation
> guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet
> Newsgroup" and "How
> to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal." Please
> refer to these
> documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if
> you have any
> questions about the process.
>
> DISTRIBUTION:
>
> This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
>
> news.announce.newgroups, news.groups
>
> A pointer will be posted to the following group:
>
> comp.databases.postgresql.general on Google Groups
>
> Proponent: Mike Cox mikecoxlinux(at)yahoo(dot)com
>
>
>
>
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