From: | Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> |
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To: | Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net> |
Cc: | Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: Streaming replication as a separate permissions |
Date: | 2010-12-23 20:34:33 |
Message-ID: | 27513.1293136473@sss.pgh.pa.us |
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Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net> writes:
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 16:57, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> wrote:
>>> I don't particularly mind breaking that. If we leave it as-is, we'll
>>> be encouraging people to use superuser accounts for things that don't
>>> need that, which can't be good from a security standpoint.
>> And if we break it, we'll be adding an additional, mandatory step to
>> make replication work that isn't required today. You might think
>> that's OK, but I think the majority opinion is that it's already
>> excessively complex.
> Most of the people I run across in the real world are rather surprised
> how *easy* it is to set up, and not how complex. And tbh, the only
> complexity complaints I've heard there are about the requirement to
> start/backup/stop to get it up and running. I've always told everybody
> to create a separate account to do it, and not heard a single comment
> about that.
FWIW, it seems unreasonable to me to expect that we will not be breaking
any part of a 9.0 replication configuration over the next release or
two. We *knew* we were shipping a rough version that would require
refinements, and this is one of the planned refinements.
> That said, how about a compromise in that we add the replication flag
> by default to the initial superuser when it's created? That way, it's
> at least possible to remove it if you want to. Would that address your
> complexity concern?
It does nothing to address my security concern. I want to discourage
people from using superuser accounts for this, full stop.
regards, tom lane
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