From: | Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> |
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To: | Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka(at)iki(dot)fi> |
Cc: | pgsql-hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Peter Geoghegan <pg(at)heroku(dot)com> |
Subject: | Re: Tuplesort merge pre-reading |
Date: | 2017-04-14 04:51:15 |
Message-ID: | 22424.1492145475@sss.pgh.pa.us |
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Heikki Linnakangas <hlinnaka(at)iki(dot)fi> writes:
> I'm talking about the code that reads a bunch of from each tape, loading
> them into the memtuples array. That code was added by Tom Lane, back in
> 1999:
> commit cf627ab41ab9f6038a29ddd04dd0ff0ccdca714e
> Author: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
> Date: Sat Oct 30 17:27:15 1999 +0000
> Further performance improvements in sorting: reduce number of comparisons
> during initial run formation by keeping both current run and next-run
> tuples in the same heap (yup, Knuth is smarter than I am). And, during
> merge passes, make use of available sort memory to load multiple tuples
> from any one input 'tape' at a time, thereby improving locality of
> access to the temp file.
> So apparently there was a benefit back then, but is it still worthwhile?
I'm fairly sure that the point was exactly what it said, ie improve
locality of access within the temp file by sequentially reading as many
tuples in a row as we could, rather than grabbing one here and one there.
It may be that the work you and Peter G. have been doing have rendered
that question moot. But I'm a bit worried that the reason you're not
seeing any effect is that you're only testing situations with zero seek
penalty (ie your laptop's disk is an SSD). Back then I would certainly
have been testing with temp files on spinning rust, and I fear that this
may still be an issue in that sort of environment.
The relevant mailing list thread seems to be "sort on huge table" in
pgsql-hackers in October/November 1999. The archives don't seem to have
threaded that too successfully, but here's a message specifically
describing the commit you mention:
https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/2726.941493808%40sss.pgh.pa.us
and you can find the rest by looking through the archive summary pages
for that interval.
The larger picture to be drawn from that thread is that we were seeing
very different performance characteristics on different platforms.
The specific issue that Tatsuo-san reported seemed like it might be
down to weird read-ahead behavior in a 90s-vintage Linux kernel ...
but the point that this stuff can be environment-dependent is still
something to take to heart.
regards, tom lane
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