Re: NOT ENFORCED constraint feature

From: Álvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)alvh(dot)no-ip(dot)org>
To: Isaac Morland <isaac(dot)morland(at)gmail(dot)com>
Cc: Amul Sul <sulamul(at)gmail(dot)com>, Peter Eisentraut <peter(at)eisentraut(dot)org>, Ashutosh Bapat <ashutosh(dot)bapat(dot)oss(at)gmail(dot)com>, jian he <jian(dot)universality(at)gmail(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Joel Jacobson <joel(at)compiler(dot)org>, Suraj Kharage <suraj(dot)kharage(at)enterprisedb(dot)com>
Subject: Re: NOT ENFORCED constraint feature
Date: 2025-02-11 13:36:05
Message-ID: 202502111336.5tr7e5keqlgy@alvherre.pgsql
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On 2025-Feb-10, Isaac Morland wrote:

> I'm having a lot of trouble understanding the operational distinction
> between your 'u' and 'U'. If it's not enforced, it cannot be assumed to be
> valid, regardless of whether it was valid in the past. I'm not sure what I
> think of a single character vs. 2 booleans, but there are only 3 sensible
> states either way: valid enforced, invalid enforced, and invalid unenforced.

I kinda agree with you and would prefer that things were that way as
well. But look at the discussion starting at
https://postgr.es/m/CAExHW5tV23Sw+Nznv0KpdNg_t7LrXY1WM9atiC=eKKSsKHSnuQ@mail.gmail.com
whereby it was apparently established that if you have a
NOT VALID NOT ENFORCED
constraint, and you make it enforced, then you should somehow end up
with a NOT VALID ENFORCED constraint, which says to me that we need to
store the fact that the constraint was NOT VALID to start with; and
correspondingly if it's VALID NOT ENFORCED and you enforce it, then it
ends up VALID ENFORCED. If we take this view of the world (with which,
I repeat, I disagree) then we must keep track of whether the constraint
was valid or not valid to start with. And this means that we need to
keep convalidated=true _regardless_ of whether conenforced is false.
So in this view of the world there aren't three states but four.

I would prefer there to be three states as well, but apparently I'm
outvoted on this.

> Additionally, if there are officially 4 status possibilities then all code
> that looks for unenforced constraints has to look for both valid and
> invalid unenforced constraints if we use a char; it's not as bad with 2
> booleans because one can just check the "enforced" boolean.

Well, yes. You have kinda the same issue with any other system catalog
column that's a 'char', I guess. Maybe this is more of a problem here
because it's more user-visible than most other catalogs, not sure.

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Álvaro Herrera Breisgau, Deutschland — https://www.EnterpriseDB.com/

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