Re: First draft of PG 17 release notes

From: Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>
To: Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
Cc: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, David Rowley <dgrowleyml(at)gmail(dot)com>, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)alvh(dot)no-ip(dot)org>, Melanie Plageman <melanieplageman(at)gmail(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: First draft of PG 17 release notes
Date: 2024-05-24 17:50:28
Message-ID: 20240524175028.lul7tpbngjlemy7j@awork3.anarazel.de
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Hi,

On 2024-05-23 23:27:04 -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 11:11:10PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> > Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> writes:
> > I am not sure Bruce that you realize that your disregard for
> > performance improvements is shared by nobody. Arguably,
> > performance is 90% of what we do these days, and it's also
> > 90% of what users care about.
>
> Please stop saying I don't document performance. I have already
> explained enough which performance items I choose. Please address my
> criteria or suggest new criteria.

Bruce, just about everyone seems to disagree with your current approach. And
not just this year, this has been a discussion in most if not all release note
threads of the last few years.

People, including me, *have* addressed your criteria, but you just waved those
concerns away. It's hard to continue discussing criteria when it doesn't at
all feel like a conversation.

In the end, these are patches to the source code, I don't think you can just
wave away widespread disagreement with your changes. That's not how we do
postgres development.

Greetings,

Andres Freund

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