From: | Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> |
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To: | Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> |
Cc: | James Coleman <jtc331(at)gmail(dot)com>, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Michael Paquier <michael(at)paquier(dot)xyz>, Rafia Sabih <rafia(dot)pghackers(at)gmail(dot)com>, Peter Geoghegan <pg(at)bowt(dot)ie>, Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Shaun Thomas <shaun(dot)thomas(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Dmitry Dolgov <9erthalion6(at)gmail(dot)com>, Alexander Korotkov <a(dot)korotkov(at)postgrespro(dot)ru>, PostgreSQL Developers <pgsql-hackers(at)lists(dot)postgresql(dot)org>, Andreas Karlsson <andreas(at)proxel(dot)se> |
Subject: | Re: [PATCH] Incremental sort (was: PoC: Partial sort) |
Date: | 2020-03-31 22:53:57 |
Message-ID: | 20200331225357.o4o55wjldlbx4kdt@development |
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On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 06:35:32PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
>Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> writes:
>> In general, I think it'd be naive that we can make planner smarter with
>> no extra overhead spent on planning, and we can never accept patches
>> adding even tiny overhead. With that approach we'd probably end up with
>> a trivial planner that generates just a single query plan, because
>> that's going to be the fastest planner. A realistic approach needs to
>> consider both the planning and execution phase, and benefits of this
>> patch seem to be clear - if you have queries that do benefit from it.
>
>I think that's kind of attacking a straw man, though. The thing that
>people push back on, or should push back on IMO, is when a proposed
>patch adds significant slowdown to queries that it has no or very little
>hope of improving. The trick is to do expensive stuff only when
>there's a good chance of getting a better plan out of it.
>
Yeah, I agree with that. I think the main issue is that we don't really
know what the "expensive stuff" is in this case, so it's not really
clear how to be smarter :-(
One possibility is that it's just one of those regressions due to change
in binary layout, but I'm not sure know how to verify that.
regards
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Tomas Vondra http://www.2ndQuadrant.com
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