From: | Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> |
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To: | Sehrope Sarkuni <sehrope(at)jackdb(dot)com> |
Cc: | Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Joe Conway <mail(at)joeconway(dot)com>, Antonin Houska <ah(at)cybertec(dot)at>, Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>, Masahiko Sawada <sawada(dot)mshk(at)gmail(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Haribabu Kommi <kommi(dot)haribabu(at)gmail(dot)com>, "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3(at)lab(dot)ntt(dot)co(dot)jp>, Ibrar Ahmed <ibrar(dot)ahmad(at)gmail(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) |
Date: | 2019-07-25 21:13:51 |
Message-ID: | 20190725211351.vbcofovpw2ggijya@momjian.us |
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On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 06:08:28PM -0400, Sehrope Sarkuni wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Some more thoughts on CBC vs CTR modes. There are a number of
> advantages to using CTR mode for page encryption.
>
> CTR encryption modes can be fully parallelized, whereas CBC can only
> parallelized for decryption. While both can use AES specific hardware
> such as AES-NI, CTR modes can go a step further and use vectorized
> instructions.
>
> On an i7-8559U (with AES-NI) I get a 4x speed improvement for
> CTR-based modes vs CBC when run on 8K of data:
>
> # openssl speed -evp ${cipher}
> type 16 bytes 64 bytes 256 bytes 1024 bytes
> 8192 bytes 16384 bytes
> aes-128-cbc 1024361.51k 1521249.60k 1562033.41k 1571663.87k
> 1574537.90k 1575512.75k
> aes-128-ctr 696866.85k 2214441.86k 4364903.85k 5896221.35k
> 6559735.81k 6619594.75k
> aes-128-gcm 642758.92k 1638619.09k 3212068.27k 5085193.22k
> 6366035.97k 6474006.53k
> aes-256-cbc 940906.25k 1114628.44k 1131255.13k 1138385.92k
> 1140258.13k 1143592.28k
> aes-256-ctr 582161.82k 1896409.32k 3216926.12k 4249708.20k
> 4680299.86k 4706375.00k
> aes-256-gcm 553513.89k 1532556.16k 2705510.57k 3931744.94k
> 4615812.44k 4673093.63k
I am back to this email now. I think there is a strong case that we
should use CTR mode for both WAL and heap/index files because CTR mode
is faster. CBC mode has the advantage of being more immune to IV
duplication, but I think the fact that the page format is similar enough
among pages means we don't gain a lot from that, and therefor IV
uniqueness must be closely honored anyway.
> For relation data where the encryption is going to be per page,
> there's flexibility in how the CTR nonce (IV + counter) is generated.
> With an 8K page, the counter need only go up to 512 for each page
> (8192-bytes per page / 16-bytes per AES-block). That would require
> 9-bits for the counter. Rounding that up to 16-bits allows for wider
> pages and it still uses only two bytes of the counter while ensuring
> that it'd be unique per AES-block. The remaining 14-bytes would be
> populated with some other data that is guaranteed unique per
> page-write to allow encryption via the same per-relation-file derived
> key. From what I gather, the LSN is a candidate though it'd have to be
> stored in plaintext for decryption.
Yes, LSN is 8 bytes, and the page number is 4 bytes. That leaves four
bytes of the counter.
> What's important is that writing the two pages (either different
> locations or the same page back again) never reuses the same nonce
> with the same key. Using the same nonce with a different key is fine.
>
> With any of these schemes the same inputs will generate the same
> outputs. With CTR mode for WAL this would be an issue if the same key
> and deterministic nonce (ex: LSN + offset) is reused in multiple
> places. That does not have to be the same cluster either. For example
> if two replicas are promoted from the same backup with the same master
> key, they would generate the same WAL CTR stream, reusing the
> key/nonce pair. Ditto for starting off with a master key and deriving
> per-relation keys in a cloned installation off some deterministic
> attribute such as oid.
I think we need to document that sharing keys among clusters (except
for identical replicas) is insecure.
We can add the "Database system identifier" into the IV, which would
avoid the problem of two clusters using the same key, but it wouldn't
avoid the problem with promoting two replicas to primaries because they
would have the same "Database system identifier" so I think it is just
simpler to say "don't do that".
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