| From: | Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> |
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| To: | Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> |
| Cc: | Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>, Joe Conway <mail(at)joeconway(dot)com>, Masahiko Sawada <sawada(dot)mshk(at)gmail(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Antonin Houska <ah(at)cybertec(dot)at>, Haribabu Kommi <kommi(dot)haribabu(at)gmail(dot)com>, "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3(at)lab(dot)ntt(dot)co(dot)jp>, Ibrar Ahmed <ibrar(dot)ahmad(at)gmail(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
| Subject: | Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS) |
| Date: | 2019-07-09 14:52:21 |
| Message-ID: | 20190709145221.3ir2kszci45byppo@momjian.us |
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On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 10:34:06AM +0200, Tomas Vondra wrote:
> > I think the issues is that we can't use a _counter_ for the nonce since
> > each page-0 of each table would use the same nonce, and each page-1,
> > etc. I assume we would use the table oid and page number as the nonce.
> > We can't use the database oid since we copy the files from one database
> > to another via file system copy and not through the shared buffer cache
> > where they would be re encrypted. Using relfilenode seems dangerous.
> > For WAL I think it would be the WAL segment number. It would be nice
> > to mix that with the "Database system identifier:", but are these the
> > same on primary and replicas?
> >
>
> Can't we just store the nonce somewhere? What if for encrypted pages we
> only use/encrypt (8kB - X bytes), where X bytes is just enough to store
> the nonce and maybe some other encryption metadata (key ID?).
Storing the nonce on each 8k page is going to add complexity, so I am
trying to figure out if it is a security requirement.
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