Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS)

From: Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>
To: Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>
Cc: Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, Joe Conway <mail(at)joeconway(dot)com>, Masahiko Sawada <sawada(dot)mshk(at)gmail(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Antonin Houska <ah(at)cybertec(dot)at>, Haribabu Kommi <kommi(dot)haribabu(at)gmail(dot)com>, "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3(at)lab(dot)ntt(dot)co(dot)jp>, Ibrar Ahmed <ibrar(dot)ahmad(at)gmail(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS)
Date: 2019-07-05 19:48:24
Message-ID: 20190705194824.GX29202@tamriel.snowman.net
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Greetings,

* Alvaro Herrera (alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com) wrote:
> On 2019-Jul-05, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>
> > What people really want with more-granular-than-cluster encryption is
> > the ability to supply their passphrase key _when_ they want to access
> > their data, and then leave and be sure their data is secure from
> > decryption. That will not be possible since the WAL will be encrypted
> > and any replay of it will need their passphrase key to unlock it, or the
> > entire system will be unrecoverable.
>
> I'm not sure I understand why WAL replay needs the passphrase to work.
> Why isn't the data saved in WAL already encrypted, which can be applied
> as raw bytes to each data block, without needing to decrypt anything?
> Only if somebody wants to interpret the bytes they need the passphrase,
> no?

I had been specifically thinking of tablespaces because we might be able
to do something exactly along these lines- keep which tablespace the
data is in directly in the WAL (and not encrypted), but then have the
data itself be encrypted, and with the key for that tablespace.

Splitting the WAL by tablespace would be even nicer, of course... :)

Thanks!

Stephen

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