Re: [PATCH] Rename pg_switch_xlog to pg_switch_wal

From: Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>
To: Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>
Cc: "David G(dot) Johnston" <david(dot)g(dot)johnston(at)gmail(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Peter Eisentraut <peter(dot)eisentraut(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Fujii Masao <masao(dot)fujii(at)gmail(dot)com>, Vladimir Rusinov <vrusinov(at)google(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Euler Taveira <euler(at)timbira(dot)com(dot)br>, David Steele <david(at)pgmasters(dot)net>, Michael Paquier <michael(dot)paquier(at)gmail(dot)com>, Jim Nasby <Jim(dot)Nasby(at)bluetreble(dot)com>, Cynthia Shang <cynthia(dot)shang(at)crunchydata(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Rename pg_switch_xlog to pg_switch_wal
Date: 2017-01-27 00:09:24
Message-ID: 20170127000924.evnqt4inmxhipbhf@alap3.anarazel.de
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On 2017-01-26 19:01:54 -0500, Stephen Frost wrote:
> Andres,
>
> * Andres Freund (andres(at)anarazel(dot)de) wrote:
> > I hear these complaints about postgres most frequently: 1) replication
> > sucks. 2) way too slow on analytics queries. 3) existing admin tools
> > suck. 4) self written admin tools (required due to 3)) constantly break.
> >
> > There's a lot being done on 1) and 2). There's very little in-core
> > progress about 3). We're getting worse on 4).
>
> I certainly hear some of these complaints also, and I'd love it if '3'
> were something that the project was focused on, but, well, I really
> don't see pgAdmin ever being in core, and 99% of the time that I'm
> talking to end users, that's really what they're looking for (or, well,
> something like it). I don't recall, off-hand at least, ever running
> into a user complaining that their pgAdmin-like admin tool broke.

For me it's it's not a pgadmin alike (or rather a more featureful
version) that's breaking the camel's back. By far the biggest one I
hear is auto-HA. There's no in-core support, and pretty much all of the
stuff out there is immature as hell. And even if it weren't people for
good reason don't trust such core aspects to $random_project. Good,
easy to set up, monitoring is another thing - and I don't thing
check_postgres is a significant portion of that, it doesn't have much in
the way of guidelines, and actually pointing people to where problems
are.

Greetings,

Andres Freund

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