From: | Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de> |
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To: | Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> |
Cc: | Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>, Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Masahiko Sawada <sawada(dot)mshk(at)gmail(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: Suspicious behaviour on applying XLOG_HEAP2_VISIBLE. |
Date: | 2016-04-15 18:51:18 |
Message-ID: | 20160415185118.bxaqwx4katrah2td@alap3.anarazel.de |
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On 2016-04-15 13:44:27 -0400, Robert Haas wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> wrote:
> > Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> writes:
> >> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de> wrote:
> >>> The easiest way to achieve that seems to be to just assign an xid if
> >>> that's the case; while it's not necessarily safe/efficient to do so at
> >>> the point the invalidation message was queued, I think it should be safe
> >>> to do so at commit time. Seems less invasive to backpatch than to either
> >>> support commit records without xids, or a separate record just
> >>> transporting invalidation messages.
> >
> >> I agree that's better for back-patching. I hope it won't suck
> >> performance-wise. In master, we might think of inventing something
> >> new.
> >
> > I'm a little worried about whether this will break assumptions that
> > vacuum doesn't have an XID. I don't immediately see how it would,
> > but it seems a bit shaky.
>
> Actually, I think there's a bigger problem. If you manage to almost
> wrap around the XID space, and the cluster shuts down, you are
> guaranteed to be able to vacuum the whole cluster without actually
> running out of XIDs.
Currently you're unfortunately not, c.f.
http://www.postgresql.org/message-id/CAPpHfdspOkmiQsxh-UZw2chM6dRMwXAJGEmmbmqYR=yvM7-s6A@mail.gmail.com
> Forcing an XID to be assigned here would make
> that uncertain - it would depend on how many tables you have versus
> how many XIDs you have left. That seems unacceptable to me.
But I agree that that's a concern. I'm kinda leaning towards
introducing an invalidation WAL record for that case atm. It's quite
possible to force an xid to be assigned in xact.c, but it's certainly
not pretty (the least ugly way is to duplicate the
xactGetCommittedInvalidationMessages() call, and force an xid to be
assigned early in CommitTransaction().
Andres
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