From: | "Markus Wanner" <markus(at)bluegap(dot)ch> |
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To: | "Greg Stark" <stark(at)enterprisedb(dot)com> |
Cc: | "Kevin Grittner" <Kevin(dot)Grittner(at)wicourts(dot)gov>, "Heikki Linnakangas" <heikki(dot)linnakangas(at)enterprisedb(dot)com>, "Jeff Davis" <pgsql(at)j-davis(dot)com>, "<pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>" <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: User-facing aspects of serializable transactions |
Date: | 2009-06-02 07:17:00 |
Message-ID: | 20090602091700.541050vnsk1wx33g@mail.bluegap.ch |
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Hi,
Quoting "Greg Stark" <stark(at)enterprisedb(dot)com>:
> No, I'm not. I'm questioning whether a serializable transaction
> isolation level that makes no guarantee that it won't fire spuriously
> is useful.
It would certainly be an improvement compared to our status quo, where
truly serializable transactions aren't supported at all. And it seems
more promising than heading for a perfect *and* scalable implementation.
> Heikki proposed a list of requirements which included a requirement
> that you not get spurious serialization failures
That requirement is questionable. If we get truly serializable
transactions (i.e. no false negatives) with reasonably good
performance, that's more than enough and a good step ahead.
Why care about a few false positives (which don't seem to matter
performance wise)? We can probably reduce or eliminate them later on.
But eliminating false negatives is certainly more important to start
with.
What I'm more concerned is the requirement of the proposed algorithm
to keep track of the set of tuples read by any transaction and keep
that set until sometime well after the transaction committed (as
questioned by Neil [1]). That doesn't sound like a negligible overhead.
Maybe the proposed algorithm has to be applied to pages instead of
tuples, as they did it in the paper for Berkeley DB. Just to keep that
overhead reasonably low.
Regards
Markus Wanner
[1]: Neil Conway's blog, Serializable Snapshot Isolation:
http://everythingisdata.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/february-25-2009/
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