From: | Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> |
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To: | Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> |
Cc: | Andrew Chernow <ac(at)esilo(dot)com>, Joshua Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, Gevik Babakhani <pgdev(at)xs4all(dot)nl>, "Jonah H(dot) Harris" <jonah(dot)harris(at)gmail(dot)com>, Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org>, PGSQL Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>, heikki(dot)linnakangas(at)enterprisedb(dot)com |
Subject: | Re: PostgreSQL future ideas |
Date: | 2008-09-24 03:20:01 |
Message-ID: | 200809240320.m8O3K1K05520@momjian.us |
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Robert Haas wrote:
> > C isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Look at its history, it has survived
> > its 'replacements' over and over again. The most popular kernels, shells
> > and applications are all still written in C (new and old). Where are the
> > warning signs that it is dwindling?
>
> To add to this:
>
> It's easy to underestimate the effect that writing in almost anything
> else has on performance. I once had a job working on a research
> operating system written in C++. It was about 10x slower than
> whichever flavor of BSD we were using at the time. There were a lot
> of reasons for this, but I remember that overuse of heavy-weight
> template classes was definitely one of them (not to mention a huge
> source of code bloat). Ripping that logic out and replacing it with
> something more, erm, C-like paid huge dividends.
>
> There's no problem with using a higher-level language for your
> application programming - I do almost all of my coding these days in
> Perl or, as it happens, PL/pgsql. But you really don't want that
> programming language to itself be written in another high-level
> language. Core system components like your kernel and database and
> compiler need to be fast, and it's pretty hard to get that in anything
> other than C. You could probably make C++ do the job passably well,
> but only if you avoid using some of the more inefficient language
> features... in other words, only if you make it look as much like C as
> possible.
Agreed. If we went with C++ we would need to be able to turn _off_ some
C++ features to keep performance reasonable. I can see trying to use a
_few_ C++ features, but in general it isn't worth the effort.
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