have you tried a right Join?Daniel Hernndez.San Diego, CA."The more you learn, the more you earn".Fax: (808) 442-0427-----Original Message-----From: "Edward W. Rouse" [erouse(at)comsquared(dot)com]Date: 08/15/2008 09:48 AMTo: pgsql-sql(at)postgresql(dot)orgSubject: Re: [SQL] Join question I have 2 tables, both have a user column. I am currently using a left join from table a to table b because I need to show all users from table a even those not having an entry in table b. The problem is I also have to include items from table b with that have a null user. There are some other criteria as well that are simple where clause filters. So as an example: Table a: Org|user A | emp1 B | emp1 B | emp2 B | emp3 C | emp2 Table b: Org|user|color A |emp1|red A |emp1|blue A |null|pink A |null|orange B |emp1|red B |emp3|red B |null|silver C |emp2|avacado If I: select org, user, count(total) from a left join b on (a.org = b.org and a.user = b.user) where a.org = ‘A’ group by a.org, a.user order by a.org, a.user I get: Org|user|count A |emp1|2 A |emp2|0 A |emp3|0 But what I need is: A |emp1|2 A |emp2|0 A |emp3|0 A |null|2 Thanks, Edward W. Rouse