From: | Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> |
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To: | PostgreSQL-patches <pgsql-patches(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Cc: | Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>, Mark Mielke <mark(at)mark(dot)mielke(dot)cc> |
Subject: | Re: [HACKERS] SSL over Unix-domain sockets |
Date: | 2008-01-17 02:58:11 |
Message-ID: | 200801170258.m0H2wBd17777@momjian.us |
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Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Tom Lane wrote:
> > Conclusions:
> >
> > * SSL, even without real authentication, is *way* too expensive to
> > enable by default.
> >
> > * The extra cost of going across a local TCP connection is measurable,
> > but it's insignificant compared to the cost of turning on SSL. (This
> > is on a Fedora 8 kernel BTW ... that result might vary on other
> > platforms.)
> >
> > So you could make a pretty good case that the answer for DBAs who
> > want to prevent spoofing is to disable socket connections in pg_hba.conf
> > and force even local connections to come through "hostssl" connections.
>
> Yea, I figured using protected directories for the socket was the
> zero-cost solution, and if you have to do SSL, might as well just use
> TCP too. (If you moved the socket file to a protected directory I think
> you could use external_pid_file='/tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432' to prevent a spoof
> socket file in /tmp. Should we document that idea?)
I did some research on this. external_pid_file will not prevent the
server from starting. If the lock file exists it just generates an
entry in the log file:
postmaster: could not write external PID file "/tmp/x": Permission denied
Looking at the threat matrix, we have:
Server Client Server Up? Spoofable?
/tmp /tmp Y N
/tmp /tmp N Y
$HOME $HOME Y N
$HOME $HOME N N
$HOME /tmp Y N
$HOME /tmp N Y
Basically, if you use a user-specific directory for the server socket
file ($HOME) and an external_pid_file, the only way for the client to be
spoofed is for the client to be using /tmp _and_ for the server to be
down.
I assume most new applications will be tested while the server is up and
therefore will fail and the client will be fixed.
I have written the following documentation addition suggesting the use
of external_pid_file.
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