Re: majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

# scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org / 2006-02-26 19:01:58 -0400:
> 'k, I just checked all the lists you listed, and you are subscribed to
> each of them ... are you not receiving messages?

I'm not receiving messages because I'm subscribed with nomail.
That's not the problem however. I want to receive the list traffic
to a different set of addresses, and that stalled ("the request must
be approved by the moderators"), as well as my attempts to gain
pgsql-docs-owner@'s and postmaster@'s attention.

Does anyone read mail for the pgsql-<list>-owner@ and postmaster@
aliases? Does anyone pay attention to the approval queue?

Anyway, here's a few snippets from my last year's email
conversations with majordomo(at)postgresql(dot)org(dot)

My subscription requests:

: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:17:37 +0200
: From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz>
: To: majordomo(at)postgresql(dot)org
:
: subscribe-set pgsql-docs noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-general noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-hackers noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-hack#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-performance noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-perf#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-sql noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-sql#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-docs nomail neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-general nomail neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-hackers nomail neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-performance nomail neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
: subscribe-set pgsql-sql nomail neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz

Majordomo replied with the usual batch of CONFIRM messages, one of
which was:

: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:17:39 -0300
: From: pgsql-general-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org
: To: neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
: Subject: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-general (subscribe)
:
: __
: The following request
:
: "subscribe-set pgsql-general noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz"
:
: was sent to
: by Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz>.
:
: To accept or reject this request, please do one of the following:
:
: 1. If you have web browsing capability, visit
: <http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_confirm/domain=postgresql.org?t=CA86-08AC-51A7>
: and follow the instructions there.
:
: 2. Reply to majordomo(at)postgresql(dot)org
: with one of the following two commands in the body of the message:
:
: accept
: reject
:
: (The number CA86-08AC-51A7 must be in the Subject header)
:
: 3. Reply to majordomo(at)postgresql(dot)org
: with one of the following two commands in the body of the message:
:
: accept CA86-08AC-51A7
: reject CA86-08AC-51A7
:
: Your confirmation is required for the following reason(s):
:
: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz> issued a command
: that affects another address (neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz).
:
:
: If you do not respond within 4 days, a reminder will be sent.
:
: If you do not respond within 7 days, this token will expire,
: and the request will not be completed.
:
: If you would like to communicate with a person,
: send mail to pgsql-general-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org(dot)

I replied to that with:

: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:37:28 +0200
: From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz>
: To: majordomo(at)postgresql(dot)org
: Subject: Re: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-general (subscribe)
:
: accept

To which majordomo said:

: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:37:29 -0300
: From: majordomo-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org
: To: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz>
: Subject: Majordomo results: Re: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-
:
:
: >>>> accept
: ---- The accept command for token CA86-08AC-51A7 succeeded,
: ---- but further approval is needed.
: ----
: ---- Now the request must be approved by the moderators.
: ---- The results will be mailed to you after this is done.
: ----
: ----
:
: Valid commands processed: 1
: 0 succeeded, 1 stalled, and 0 failed.
:
:
: Use the following command:
: sessioninfo 12bbdbfc049f53e9c1782cc9c10c6310e23e504f
: to see technical information about this session.

And that was the end of the conversation, I'm still waiting for a
reply to my message to postmaster@ from December, and another one to
pgsql-docs-owner@ from last August (covering the same problem):

: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:40:15 +0200
: From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz>
: To: pgsql-docs-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org
: Subject: majordomo command processing problems?
:
: Hello,
:
: I tried to subscribe to pgsql-docs seven days ago:
:
: >>>> subscribe pgsql-docs neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
: ---- The subscribe command did not succeed.
: ----
: ---- The request
: ---- "subscribe pgsql-docs neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz"
: ---- must be confirmed by
: ---- neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
: ---- and approved by the moderators. Confirmation instructions have been
: ---- mailed in a separate message.
:
: And then:
:
: >>>> accept 9E0C-7AF7-36CA
: ---- The accept command for token 9E0C-7AF7-36CA succeeded,
: ---- but further approval is needed.
: ----
: ---- Now the request must be approved by the moderators.
: ---- The results will be mailed to you after this is done.
:
: Can you please expedite the approval a bit? (Do you really approve all
: subscriptions by hand, or was my subscription attempt somehow
: "suspicious"?)

Is this a bug in majordomo, or in the postgresql.org setup?

Similarly, should I expect my possible future emails to the owner
and postmaster aliases to generate zero replies as well?

> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
> ># scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org / 2006-02-26 14:36:47 -0400:
> >>On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
> >>>I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve
> >>>my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists.
> >>
> >>the majordomo moderators don't have to approve subscribe requests, you
> >>will auto-receive an email message from the list confirming that you do
> >>want to subscribe though ... its a fairly automated procedure ... if you
> >>aren't receiving the 'confirm' messages, then there is an overall problem
> >>with mail deliver ...
> >>
> >>checking pgsql-general, you are already subscribed ... what other lists
> >>are you trying to get onto?
> >
> > A copy of the message I sent to postmaster(at)postgresql(dot)org last
> > december is attached. I think it has all the evidence of approval
> > being required you need.

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