From: | Bruce Momjian <pgman(at)candle(dot)pha(dot)pa(dot)us> |
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To: | Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> |
Cc: | Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD <ZeugswetterA(at)spardat(dot)at>, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org |
Subject: | Re: Point in Time Recovery |
Date: | 2004-07-28 16:19:50 |
Message-ID: | 200407281619.i6SGJoG27790@candle.pha.pa.us |
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Oh, here is something else we need to add --- a GUC to control whether
pg_xlog is clean on recovery start.
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Tom Lane wrote:
> Bruce and I had another phone chat about the problems that can ensue
> if you restore a tar backup that contains old (incompletely filled)
> versions of WAL segment files. While the current code will ignore them
> during the recovery-from-archive run, leaving them laying around seems
> awfully dangerous. One nasty possibility is that the archiving
> mechanism will pick up these files and overwrite good copies in the
> archive area with the obsolete ones from the backup :-(.
>
> Bruce earlier proposed that we simply "rm pg_xlog/*" at the start of
> a recovery-from-archive run, but as I said I'm scared to death of code
> that does such a thing automatically. In particular this would make it
> impossible to handle scenarios where you want to do a PITR recovery but
> you need to use some recent WAL segments that didn't make it into your
> archive yet. (Maybe you could get around this by forcibly transferring
> such segments into the archive, but that seems like a bad idea for
> incomplete segments.)
>
> It would really be best for the DBA to make sure that the starting
> condition for the recovery run does not have any obsolete segment files
> in pg_xlog. He could do this either by setting up his backup policy so
> that pg_xlog isn't included in the tar backup in the first place, or by
> manually removing the included files just after restoring the backup,
> before he tries to start the recovery run.
>
> Of course the objection to that is "what if the DBA forgets to do it?"
>
> The idea that we came to on the phone was for the postmaster, when it
> enters recovery mode because a recovery.conf file exists, to look in
> pg_xlog for existing segment files and refuse to start if any are there
> --- *unless* the user has put a special, non-default overriding flag
> into recovery.conf. Call it "use_unarchived_files" or something like
> that. We'd have to provide good documentation and an extensive HINT of
> course, but basically the DBA would have two choices when he gets this
> refusal to start:
>
> 1. Remove all the segment files in pg_xlog. (This would be the right
> thing to do if he knows they all came off the backup.)
>
> 2. Verify that pg_xlog contains only segment files that are newer than
> what's stored in the WAL archive, and then set the override flag in
> recovery.conf. In this case the DBA is taking responsibility for
> leaving only segment files that are good to use.
>
> One interesting point is that with such a policy, we could use locally
> available WAL segments in preference to pulling the same segments from
> archive, which would be at least marginally more efficient, and seems
> logically cleaner anyway.
>
> In particular it seems that this would be a useful arrangement in cases
> where you have questionable WAL segments --- you're not sure if they're
> good or not. Rather than having to push questionable data into your WAL
> archive, you can leave it local, try a recovery run, and see if you like
> the resulting state. If not, it's a lot easier to do-over when you have
> not corrupted your archive area.
>
> Comments? Better ideas?
>
> regards, tom lane
>
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