Re: Idea for a new index page

Hi Michael,

well, I don't think I may give you shell access to the VM, and it does not make sense to add this sampe-test-pages to CVS, so maybe for the beginning it might be the easiest way to send this to my email adress (webmaster(at)letzplay(dot)de) and I will upload it to the webspace...

PS: If you want to reply to the list, just click "Reply to all" in your email program and keep the To: and CC: fields as they are, they will do fine :)

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Andreas Grabmüller

----- Original-Nachricht -----
Von: "Michael Glaesemann" <grzm(at)myrealbox(dot)com>
An: pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org
Datum: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 07:24 AM
Betreff: [pgsql-www] Idea for a new index page

> From: Michael Glaesemann <grzm(at)myrealbox(dot)com>
> Date: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:37:01 PM Asia/Tokyo
> To: <webmaster(at)letzplay(dot)de>
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Idea for a new index page
>
> Erg. The past week has been frought with email ineptness on my part. If
> a variation on this comes through, please forgive.
>
> On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 07:42 AM, Andreas Grabmüller wrote:
> > Michael, is it possible to choose the layout based on the browser size
> > using XHTML/CSS or Javascript? So any user with 1024x768 sees
> > test3.htm but any user with a lower resolution sees test4.htm? It's
> > just the two boxes to change...
>
> It's definitely possible to switch style sheets using JavaScript and
> straightforward XHTML and CSS. The most common usage of this I've seen
> is for providing serif and sans-serif versions. As for detecting
> browser size, nothing I know of in XHTML or CSS would prevent you from
> doing this, but as far as I know they're not going to do it for you.
>
> However, I'm wondering whether or not this is necessary. From what I
> gather, you're worried about the page being too wide because the Latest
> News and Upcoming Events boxes are fixed width. When I first saw the
> text*.htm examples, I put together similar structures on my local
> machine. They resize very nicely, side by side, text reflowing and
> preserving hanging indents on the lists, using &middot as bullets, down
> to a width of about 850px. After that, you start losing the right
> sidebar. And that might not be a hard limit. I haven't really tweaked
> it much.
>
> I'd like to be able to show these examples, but I don't have a host.
> Should I upload them to CVS? (Am I even able to? Do I require a GBorg
> membership?)
>
> Michael
>
>
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----- Original-Nachricht -----
Von: "Michael Glaesemann" <grzm(at)myrealbox(dot)com>
An: pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org
Datum: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 02:23 AM
Betreff: [pgsql-www] Considerations on a Multi-Lingual Site

> On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 08:03 AM, Andreas Grabmüller wrote:
> > It's difficult to create elements like lists without knowing HTML.
>
> Couldn't it be done along the lines of building selects? Say you've got
> an array of list items:
>
> $list_array = array ('apples','oranges','grapes');
>
> $list_string = '<ul>';
> foreach $list_array as $this_item {
> $list_string .= '<li>'.$this_item.'</li>';
> }
> $list_string .= '</ul>';
>
> This doesn't solve the problem of how you get the list into the
> database, but that shouldn't be too hard.

Well, the problem I see is that we need a way for the translators to write the list without knowing HTML...

> > I think we have two options here: a bbcode parser that allows some
> > input like the popular bulletin boards do or using a WYSIWYG editor
>
> A bbcode parser would probably be adequate. Wiki markup isn't too hard
> and parsers are easy to come by.
>
> > If a translator creates a page in its own language, should it be not
> > available to other languages or appear in that foreign language for
> > the english people? Should they be able to change the menu (just for
> > their own language or for all)?
>
> I could see a link with something like "Translate this item" if a
> translation isn't available in the preferred language of the viewer.
> That then brings them to the bbcode page (requiring whatever
> authentication you want, if you want to limit the translations to be
> done only be authorized translators).

Difficult - except we want to give everyone access to the translations, it does not make sense to offer this link to non-translators...

> As for what news is displayed, I think it might be a good idea to
> display all of the items, with as many translated as translations are
> available. For languages that haven't got a full version of everything
> translated, you might get some pretty sparse pages, and people wouldn't
> necessarily know what they're missing.

Currently it's handled so if there's no translation the english version is used - this won't work any more if we don't have an english version, so the question is if the user than gets a 404 - File not found message or the content in a different language...

> It might be nice if you could store a language preference order in the
> cookie. So for example, if I wanted English first, then German, then
> Japanese, I'd get the translation of the highest preference that was
> available.

Should be possible. Currently just the one prefered language is stored, but I see no reason why we should not allow to store more preferences...

> This may have already been hashed out. I haven't looked closely enough
> at that section of the code yet.
>
> Michael

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Andreas Grabmüller

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Hi Andreas
On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 05:14 PM, Andreas Grabm=FCller wrote:
> well, I don't think I may give you shell access to the VM,

From my behavior to date (besides the fact you don't know me from=20
Adam), I wouldn't even trust me with access to the refrigerator. I'm=20
considering revoking my access from my mail app.

> and it does not make sense to add this sampe-test-pages to CVS,
> so maybe for the beginning it might be the easiest way to send this to=20
> my email adress (webmaster(at)letzplay(dot)de) and I will upload it to the=20
> webspace...

Sounds good. Like I mentioned before, I modified what appears to be=20
older versions. If there's something newer in the CVS, I'll update=20
those, or I can just send you what I've got. Which would you rather I=20
do?

> PS: If you want to reply to the list, just click "Reply to all" in=20
> your email program and keep the To: and CC: fields as they are, they=20
> will do fine :)

*sheepish grin* thanks! (so *that's* what reply to all is for :)

Thanks for your patience.

Michael