Re: Idea for a new index page

----- Original-Nachricht -----
Von: "Dave Page" <dpage(at)vale-housing(dot)co(dot)uk>
An: <scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org>
CC: <webmaster(at)letzplay(dot)de>, <pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Datum: Monday, November 10, 2003 06:59 PM
Betreff: [pgsql-www] Idea for a new index page

> It's rumoured that Marc G. Fournier once said:
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Andreas GrabmXller wrote:
> >
> >> ----- Original-Nachricht -----
> >> Von: "Dave Page" <dpage(at)vale-housing(dot)co(dot)uk>
> >> An: "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org>, "Andreas GrabmXller"
> >> <webmaster(at)letzplay(dot)de> CC: <pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org>
> >> Datum: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:01 AM
> >> Betreff: [pgsql-www] Idea for a new index page
> >>
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org]
> >> > > Sent: 10 November 2003 03:38
> >> > > To: Andreas GrabmXller
> >> > > Cc: pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org
> >> > > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Idea for a new index page
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > works for me ... I didn't like the 'overscrolling' that
> >> > > happened on the old site, then keeps it nice and condense ...
> >> >
> >> > My main dislike is the short links for the news/events. They aren't
> >> > visually separate from the rest of the page if you see what I mean.
> >> > How about making those cell backgrounds a light gray?
> >> >
> >> > Regards, Dave.
> >>
> >> What about this?
> >>
> >> http://wwwdevel2.postgresql.org/test3.htm
> >
> > Yup, like the 'boxes' ... one thing that is needed though, is 'fixed
> > size' so that text doesn't wrap ...
>
> Yup, don't think it'll work on 800x600 either. It's left-right scrolling
> on the 1024x768 montior with a very nearly fully screen browser that I'm
> using.
> /D

You're right it's not working with 800x600, but there is no scrolling with 1024x768 here...

I have created a version which works with 800x600 at
http://wwwdevel2.postgresql.org/test4.htm
but I don't really like it on higher resolutions.

Michael, is it possible to choose the layout based on the browser size using XHTML/CSS or Javascript? So any user with 1024x768 sees test3.htm but any user with a lower resolution sees test4.htm? It's just the two boxes to change...

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Andreas Grabmüller

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----- Original-Nachricht -----
Von: "Josh Berkus" <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
An: pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org
Datum: Monday, November 10, 2003 07:31 PM
Betreff: [pgsql-www] Considerations on a Multi-Lingual Site

> Andreas, folks:

Hi Josh,

> You may have already thought of this, but there's two issues that need to
> govern our support of multiple languages on www.postgresql.org:

Well, I must confess I didn't think much about this issues as at the beginning the only plan was to add multi-language-capabilities to the main site (with just some pages) and the idea to merge advocacy is something new...

> 1) It needs to be possible for translators to translate content without
> knowing HTML, XHTML, or CVS. Right now, we have 17 volunteer translators,
> but if you limit translation to people who have HTML skills, that gets cut
> down to *three*. And if you have the translators send you stuff for you to
> correct/markup, you will spend several/many hours per week doing this.
> The approach which Robert took with the Advocacy site isn't bad, except for
> the below issue and that translation elements need to be groupable for
> comprehensaibility.

It's difficult to create elements like lists without knowing HTML. I think we have two options here: a bbcode parser that allows some input like the popular bulletin boards do or using a WYSIWYG editor.

The first one is easier to implement but the second is easier to handle by the translator. The only problem I see is that it's very difficult to limit a WYSIWYG editor (one of the freely available) to our design guidelines and converting its output to XML (using our CSS classes). So I would vote for the first option for the beginning. Can we expect our translators to be able to use some bbcodes as long as they are compatible to those of the big boards (vBulletin for example)?

> 2) It also needs to be possible for the non-English communities to contribute
> content in some form to their own site without having it first in English.
> I'm thinking of the German & Brazillian communities particularly.

If a translator creates a page in its own language, should it be not available to other languages or appear in that foreign language for the english people? Should they be able to change the menu (just for their own language or for all)?

I'm currently thinking about how to rewrite the system to meet the new requirements, so I would be glad to get some suggestions and critics...

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> Josh Berkus
> Aglio Database Solutions
> San Francisco

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 04:26 AM, Dave Page wrote:
>> Your right: no nowrap in Strict. However, you can set nowrap
>> to elements using css, I believe.
>
> Ahh, thanks. I'm not as up to speed with xhtml/strict as I should be
> :-(

From what I've seen, PostgreSQL people are usually so up-to-speed on
nearly everything, there's very little I can contribute. If you knew
everything about CSS and XHTML, I'd have very nearly nothing to give
back to the community! :)

Michael
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