Re: pgAdmin2 to be included in Dev-C++

> Then what is the point?

We need more information about Cygwin. See Jason Tishler mail forwarded by
Dave Page.

> Don't get me wrong, I would love it if Windows were no longer around. I
> think a cygwin version of PostgreSQL will not further your objective.
> Windows users will not be seeing the cream of the crop, they will be seeing
> a quick and dirty hack. In the words of Martin Luther King, Excellence is
> the best revenge.

Microsoft and MySQL conquered the world with converse ideas : releasing crap.
Beside, Cygwin is a very good POSIX emulation. So PostgreSQL + Cygwin wron't
be crap.

> How will Windows developers create C language function extensions? Using
> cygwin and gcc as well? These guys can't do crap without VisualStudio.

Dev-C++ because mingw and Cygwin can coexist.

> Seriously, don't do it. Please don't do it. If we want to make a serious
> presence in the Windows market, it is better to take our time and do it
> well or not at all.

Well... This is where we disagree. We can do BOTH :
- release a fast Cygwin + PostgreSQL installer,
- port PostgreSQL to native Windows.

> I completely disagree. Let me ask you. Have you ever used Windows? I mean
> as your primary system? Have you ever thrilled at getting something new for
> your Windows system? (Like you do with you current system.)

I stopped using Windows a year ago for political reasons. I stopped using
Windows three years ago in production for non-political reasons. I simply
could not work with such a bad system.

> I'm not ashamed to admit I used to love Windows. Before Linux was usable,
> and before FreeBSD was unencumbered, it was the best system a user could
> get for the money. Windows was fun, especially if you had the SDK/DDK and
> knew how to use it.

Sorry my friend, at that time I was sleeping with an Apple IIx and later a
Macintosh. You must have had a hard time debugging Windows 1.0 or 2.0 (which
I read on the list previously). You must have been very lucky to survive. Now
I understand your point of view better ...

> A native PostgreSQL on Windows would rock the Windows world. It would kick
> MSSQL's butt for many applications. I think you underestimate Windows and
> Windows users if you think a cygwin version will satisfy them. The mistake
> is thinking that they are the ignorant unwashed masses that so many UNIX
> people seem to think they are.

Agreed. But it wron't be ready before 6 months. Meanwhile I would like to come
with a suitable solution to release on http://www.bloodshed.net and feed
hungry developpers that are getting bored with MySQL.

In short, my opinion is
"Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien"

Cheers,
Jean-Michel