| From: | Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> |
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| To: | Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> |
| Cc: | Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Nathan Bossart <nathandbossart(at)gmail(dot)com>, "pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org" <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
| Subject: | Re: allow building trusted languages without the untrusted versions |
| Date: | 2022-05-25 01:19:40 |
| Message-ID: | 1772516.1653441580@sss.pgh.pa.us |
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Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> writes:
> I always thought if pg_proc is able to call an arbitrary function in an
> arbitrary library, it could access to the file system, and if that is
> true, locking the super-user from file system access seems impossible
> and unwise to try because it would give a false sense of security.
That was the situation when we had v0 function call semantics. ISTM
we are at least a lot closer now to being able to say it's locked down:
"internal" functions can only reach things that are in the fmgrtab
table, and "C" functions can only reach things that have associated
PG_FUNCTION_INFO_V1 symbols. Plus we won't load shared libraries
that don't have PG_MODULE_MAGIC blocks. Maybe there's still a way
around all that, but it's sure a lot less obvious than it once was,
and there are probably things we could do to make it even harder.
I think would-be hackers are now reduced to doing what Robert
suggested, which is trying to find a way to subvert a validly
SQL-callable function by passing it bogus arguments. Maybe there's
a way to gain filesystem access by doing that, but it's not going
to be easy if the function is not one that intended to allow such
operations.
regards, tom lane
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