Re: BUG #10675: alter database set tablespace and unlogged table

From: "MauMau" <maumau307(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: "Andres Freund" <andres(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>
Cc: "Pavan Deolasee" <pavan(dot)deolasee(at)gmail(dot)com>, "Tom Lane" <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, "maxim(dot)boguk" <maxim(dot)boguk(at)gmail(dot)com>, "Pg Bugs" <pgsql-bugs(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: BUG #10675: alter database set tablespace and unlogged table
Date: 2014-08-13 14:31:46
Message-ID: 149312E3EED04551A6E5F394AF029DF2@maumau
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From: "Andres Freund" <andres(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>
> That'd mean that the next pointrelease will incur *significantly* higher
> IO in many setups. If you currently have a workload where all dirty
> buffers of unlogged tables fit in s_b you'll never have any OS
> writes. That'd completely change.

Yes, that's the only headache... But I'm not worried so much, because
bgwriter and/or backends may write out dirty buffers for unlogged tables, so
the total I/O is not low anyway.

> A compromise would be to couple it to CHECKPOINT_IMMEDIATE and/or _FORCE
> instead of creating a new flag - I think this is actually what Tom
> proposed.

That rescues the CREATE DATABASE case, and would probably prevent potential
similar problems.

>> * There's a greater danger of losing data during operating system
>> restart.
>> For example, IIRC, Windows gives only 20 seconds to terminate all
>> services
>> during OS shutdown. If many dirty buffers for unlogged tables linger in
>> the
>> shared buffers, PostgreSQL service may fail to complete database
>> shutdown.
>> Even if the online checkpoint writes out all dirty buffers, the
>> possibility
>> of there being many dirty buffers at shutdown is not zero, but the
>> probability would be lower.
>
> Meh. That won't lead to data loss, just recovery on restart. And 20s
> isn't sufficient for any halfway busy database anyway.

The unlogged tables are emptied (= data loss) at recovery restart.

Regards
MauMau

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