Re: Code of Conduct: Is it time?

On Tue, 2016-01-05 at 22:41 -0600, Jim Nasby wrote:

> On 1/5/16 10:03 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
> > On 1/5/2016 5:31 PM, Jim Nasby wrote:
> >> IMHO, the real problem here is not simply a CoC, it is that the
> >> Postgres community doesn't focus on developing the community itself.
> >> The closest we come to "focus" is occasional talk on -hackers about
> >> how we need more developers. There is no formal
> >> discussion/leadership/coordination towards actively building and
> >> strengthening our community. Until that changes, I fear we will always
> >> have a lack of developers. More importantly, we will continue to lack
> >> all the other ways that people could contribute beyond writing code.
> >> IE: the talk shouldn't be about needing more developers, it should be
> >> about needing people who want to contribute time to growing the
> >> community.
> >
> >
> > That sounds like a bunch of modern marketing graduate mumbojumbo to
> > me. The postgres community are the people who actually support it on
> > the email lists and IRC, as well as the core development teams, and
> > INMO, they are quite strong and effective. when you start talking
> > about social marketing and facebook and twitter and stuff, thats just a
> > bunch of feelgood smoke and mirrors. The project's output is what
> > supports it, not having people going out 'growing community', that is
> > just a bunch of hot air. you actively 'grow community' when you're
> > pushing worthless products (soda pop, etc) based on slick marketing
> > plans rather than actually selling something useful.
>
> Then why is it that there is almost no contribution to the community
> other than code and mailing list discussion?
>
> Why is the infrastructure team composed entirely of highly experienced
> code contributors, of which there are ~200 on the planet, when there are
> literally 100s of thousands (if not millions) of people out there that
> could do that work (and could probably do it better if it's what they do
> for a living, no offense to the efforts of the infrastructure team).
>
> Why is there a lack of developers? And a serious lack of code reviewers?
> --
> Jim Nasby, Data Architect, Blue Treble Consulting, Austin TX
> Experts in Analytics, Data Architecture and PostgreSQL
> Data in Trouble? Get it in Treble! http://BlueTreble.com
>

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