From: | Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com> |
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To: | Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> |
Cc: | Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>, Fujii Masao <masao(dot)fujii(at)gmail(dot)com>, Jeff Janes <jeff(dot)janes(at)gmail(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org> |
Subject: | Re: Change pg_last_xlog_receive_location not to move backwards |
Date: | 2011-02-12 17:31:24 |
Message-ID: | 1297531884.1747.3203.camel@ebony |
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On Sat, 2011-02-12 at 09:32 -0500, Robert Haas wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net> wrote:
> > * Robert Haas (robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com) wrote:
> >> Actually... wait a minute. Now that I'm thinking about this a little
> >> more, I'm not so convinced. If we leave this the way is, and just
> >> paper over the problem using the method Stephen and I both had in
> >> mind, then we could be streaming from a position that precedes the
> >> so-called "current" position. And worse, the newly introduced replies
> >> to the master will still show the position going backward, so the
> >> master will reflect a position that is earlier that the position the
> >> slave reports for itself, not because of any real difference but
> >> because of a reporting difference. That sure doesn't seem good.
> >
> > I'm really not sure it's as bad as all that... The slave and the master
> > are only going to be "out of sync" wrt position until the slave sends
> > the request for update to the master, gets back the result, and checks
> > the XLOG header, right?
>
> It'll restream the whole segment up to wherever it was, but basically, yes.
>
> I think a big part of the problem here is that we have wildly
> inconsistent terminology for no especially good reason. The standby
> reports three XLOG positions to the master, currently called write,
> flush, and apply. The walreceiver reports positions called
> recievedUpTo and lastChunkStart. receivedUpTo is actually the FLUSH
> position, and lastChunkStart is the previous flush position, except
> when the walreceiver first starts, when it's the position at which
> streaming is to begin.
>
> So, what if we did some renaming? I'd be inclined to start by
> renaming "receivedUpTo" to Flush, and add a new position called
> Stream. When walreciever is started, we set Stream to the position at
> which streaming is going to begin (which can rewind) and leave Flush
> alone (so it never rewinds).
OK
> We then change the walreceiver feedback
> mechanism to use the term stream_location rather than write_location;
OK
> and we could consider replacing pg_last_xlog_receive_location() with
> pg_last_xlog_stream_location() and pg_last_xlog_flush_location().
> That's a backward compatibility break, but maybe it's worth it for the
> sake of terminological consistency, not to mention accuracy.
Don't see a need to break anything. OK with two new function names.
> I'd also be inclined to go to the walreceiver code and and rename the
> apply_location to replay_location, so that it matches
> pg_last_xlog_replay_location(). The latter is in 9.0, but the former
> is new to 9.1, so we can still fix it to be consistent without a
> backward compatibility break.
Any renaming of things should be done as cosmetic fixes after important
patches are in.
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Simon Riggs http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/books/
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