Re: We all are looped on Internet: request + transport = invariant

Dmitry,

On Thu, 2007-04-26 at 11:33 +0300, Dmitry Turin wrote:
> Joe, i speak not about you, but about statistics.

Do you actually have statistics of how many people in the general
population have learned SQL? And furthermore, how many of those people
didn't already know or didn't want to bother learning another
computer-related language?

> J> there are others on this list and elsewhere that have done so
>
> Second question: why?
> For what people must learn php, etc,
> if they need only output data from database.

If people only need to examine or visualize data, they can use any
number of "user friendly" tools: PgAdmin, Excel with ODBC, etc. (and
these may not be the best examples). However, someone will still have
to learn SQL and C, PHP, Python, etc., to create an application to input
and maintain the data.

> >others may require the assistance of a
> J> technical specialist or a full-time programming team, but what's wrong
> J> with that?
>
> expenses of money, time, nerve to explain task to other man

I believe your worldview is affected by the people you interact with.
The average man or woman on the street doesn't want to know about SQL,
relational databases, third normal form or, with all due respect, TML.
If they have Internet access, they want to enter a query string into
something like Google or Amazon and look at the results. Do you think
if Amazon gave raw read access to their underlying database, many people
would jump to query it with SQL, TML or any computer language? And even
those who did, when they found a book of their choice they would still
need APPLICATION code to enter their order.

OTOH, I think you're dealing with a select group of scientists who have
these data and they would love to "mine" it and analyze it to the nth
degree but they don't want to jump through (too many) hoops to do so.
And maybe TML is just what they need.

And there are others (business people, for example) who also need to
analyze the data they have and they don't mind paying for programmers,
DBAs, etc. (even if sometimes it may be tough for them explaining *what*
they want). For those, TML may or may not be a solution. The
marketplace will decide.

Joe